Complete WI Snowmobile Club Infrastructure?

whitedust

Well-known member
You learn something everyday & I'm trying to put the entire WI Snowmobile Club infrastructure together & understand how they interact with the State Council of Snowmobile Recreation, the Wisconsin Association Of Snowmobile Clubs,WI County Level Clubs, WI County Parks Forestry Recreation Land Department, WI DNR, state, county & local police, Federal land Use agencies, private land owners, private business & then finally the snowmobiling public at large. Did I miss any parties involved? I think all too many of us join a club cut a check for dues brush a little ride the heck out of trails & never really think or consider the big picture how that trail was groomed & signed & how the several layers of infrastructure work together for our benefit. Don't be embarrassed if you don't know as I know I don't know top to bottom infrastructure & I'm still trying to put the whole thing together.:)
 

Banks93

New member
Our club has Pres, VP, Treasure, and Secretary
We have a club member who is county rep and goes to the county meeting and reports back what was said at that meeting.

Then there is a county rep. That is as far as I know the chain of command.

We have board that is a nominated position and it comes up every two years.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
Our club has Pres, VP, Treasure, and Secretary
We have a club member who is county rep and goes to the county meeting and reports back what was said at that meeting.

Then there is a county rep. That is as far as I know the chain of command.

We have board that is a nominated position and it comes up every two years.

Good info. How is policy information comunicated to all the clubs in a given WI county? Website or grapevine? Where does County rep get his direction?

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Like you say don't forget to think big.

http://snowiasa.org/

http://www.snowmobile.org/index.asp

In WI the final call on whether or not the trails are open and which individual parts of the county are open lies with the county president (and of course private land owners).

Good info as well but just trying to understand WI infrastructure...need to walk before I can run.lol
 

renegade

Active member
Every county is a little differant depending on how many miles of trails the have or how they decide to set themselves up.
Our county has indivdual clubs that totals 10 in all. The clubs brush, maintain, mark, talk to landowners, etc. Anything to do with the trails. Then we also have a county association which meets and through this association we meet and talk about the bigger things. We buy our grooming equipment as a county, at least the majority of our clubs do. The smaller clubs don't have enough miles so we have to pool our monies and share the groomer. From these meetings we have a director and a representative that meets at the state level, which is the AWSC. The AWSC then has meetings and assigns differant committees plus their Pres., VP, Sec., etc. These people then meet with the Snowmobile Recreation Council, DNR, and the other agencies at the state level to work out laws and inforcements. A good example is the Cap/Step and Deer Hunts plus other important state business. The AWSC employs a lobbiest for political connections at the capital, plus the AWSC leaders will meet with the International Snowmobile Council, or whatever its called. It actually works quite nicely to get information passed on to the clubs from the state level and vice versa. Problem is participation. Not every county is involved with AWSC, most are but not all. Some don't have a director or a rep. Now include that 95% of snowmobilers are not ACTIVE club members so they don't get the info on the issues and wonder why some trails are not open because they don't think about it til there is snow to ride on. It sucks that snomobiling has to play the political game but if you don't play you will get beat, and beat bad! IMO, it is set up quit nicely that the people who are involved with snowmbiling have a say in how things are done. And if everyone who rode was at least a paying member of a club and the AWSC, that would be a voice of 200,000 instead of 25,000. No enviromental group would even try to shut down trails in Wisconsin, they would get squashed like a bug. I have been involved with the AWSC for twenty years and I'm still learning how it all works, too. But this is a nutshell of how our county works.
 

renegade

Active member
In WI the final call on whether or not the trails are open and which individual parts of the county are open lies with the county president (and of course private land owners).

Again every county is differant. Ours the grooming coordinator decides after feedback from the groomer drivers. Landowners have a say to, but somewhat indirectly. Ussually by a special request or a complaint. Examples, not enough snow in their opinion, but this is not ussually found out to after the trails have been open. Otherwise it could be "I'm bowhunting til the end of the season" so no open trails til Jan. 4th or whatever the date may be. It is what it is and there are a lot of reasons for trails to not open, just don't ride on closed trails and DO NOT open a closed gate. That happened last year to us and there was cattle out. That went over really well!
 

Tankjo

Member
Wow!!! I know I"m fairly new to this whole snowmobile club interaction,but I can see I need to learn alot more. I"m not very good on politics but I am willing to learn. Thanks for the info.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
Wow!!! I know I"m fairly new to this whole snowmobile club interaction,but I can see I need to learn alot more. I"m not very good on politics but I am willing to learn. Thanks for the info.

We all have a lot to learn & we have to remember these are "clubs" so their organizations will all be different & some will hold mulitipositions because they have to no one else available. I was an active memeber of 5 WI Show Waterskiing clubs for 25 years & not one was the same.lol You have to have your go to guys & gals that get things done others might do what is asked but might not as well.
 
We have like other counties a rep and a director that reprsents our county which he reports and informs us with emails or at the monthly meetings and forwards info from the AWSC to us club members that represent each club at the county meetings to pass along and foward the info from the AWSC. We have a county trail master that all the club trail master contact in regards to after voting which sections to open or close and issues we all may have. than we have the county pres, treasture,ect
Each club also have pres. v-pres. etc
The club members have there sections of trails they maintain with landowners, farmers, state land, towns, etc. We have two trail masters which we talk to about issues and they keep everything going smooth.
Then the trail groomers are another group of club members that work together with everyone to provide smooth trails for people to enjoy.
Hope this makes some sense to everyone, and if I'm wrong please chime in.
Thanks
Howie
 

jr37

Well-known member
renegade and r/l groomer have provided a very good explanation of the system.

On a side note. The DNR is only the administrator of the program. They take in the money and pay it out. The Governors Snowmobile Recreation Council decides where the money goes, (bridges, new trails, supplemental, etc.).
 
Thanks jr37,
I forgot that, you are correct regarding the DNR's part, the middle person.they need their cut of the pie, oops!! did I say that out loud, sorry:rolleyes:
 

zozo2

New member
Good idea, Whitedust, to come up with a thorough and accurate picture of the snowmobile infrastructure in Wisconsin. When you get it done, many of us would like to see what it looks like, maybe in the form of a block diagram (start with the grass-roots snowmobiler on the top, then branch out down through the clubs, etc.)--tried this once, got stuck with fitting the pieces together. BTW, check comment #15 in the thread just started about which snowmobile club to join, might contain some info that could be of value to your project.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
Good idea, Whitedust, to come up with a thorough and accurate picture of the snowmobile infrastructure in Wisconsin. When you get it done, many of us would like to see what it looks like, maybe in the form of a block diagram (start with the grass-roots snowmobiler on the top, then branch out down through the clubs, etc.)--tried this once, got stuck with fitting the pieces together. BTW, check comment #15 in the thread just started about which snowmobile club to join, might contain some info that could be of value to your project.

I hear ya not easy at all but I have a pretty good handle on Vilas county names & infrastucture. Difficult to think it took me all these years to do the deep dive & try & figure it out. You fall into a zone if you even join a club pay the dues just ride don't thnk about how things work top to bottom & lots of things are posted that are misdirected. Capstep will get people educated. IMO
 
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