Danger on Lake Gogebic

classicchick

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Just read a post on a fishing site that there is some dangerous areas on Lake Gogebic
south of the Hoop and also around Fish Tales area. Sledders are being advised to use
the trail because of these dangerous conditions. Last night a sled went down...guess
driver is o.k. tho. anyone got any more specific info on L.gogebic conditions?
 
Well Tom at Bergland Bay Bar had advised of an ice heave down by Fishtales for a couple of days. Yesterday I heard of a sled go through the ice. Today Tom is reporting open water near the heave . The trail sounds like the safe bet.
 

StreetnSnow

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As quickly as temps are dropping, I would not be at all surprised to see more/bigger heaves. On the upside, the cold temps & high winds should firm things up nicely. Be there tomorrow. :)
 

berglandbaybar

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iceheaves.jpg iceheaves.jpg One explanation I got was with little snow to insulate the Lake, ice is forming quicker than usual and buckles up because it has no where to go but up. They think the open water was caused when the huge heaves broke loose from the main ice and just sunk. Locals that have lived here all their life have never seen this happen before. It is -18 on my thermometer so if this holds true more may be forming.
 
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arcticgeorge

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Yeah be carefull out there....Saw recently (i think on this site) that a sledder hit a heave and was thrown 10 feet in the air and was knocked unconsious. It's -13 in ironwood.
 
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anonomoose

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Water gets more dense as it gets colder until it hits a temperature of about 35. Then it begins to expand. Without this principle a lake would have to freeze solid before it would freeze at all. But as the water expands it moves to the top layer where it can continue to expand until it freezes.

Since the top of the lake is now frozen, any additional ice must form below the ice level as to layer up from the bottom of the ice up. Since the ice is now lighter than the surrounding water it sits upon, then it actually floats on the water.

As more and more ice forms it gets very strong and continues to expand in EVERY DIRECTION.

Once there is no place for the ice to expand it will push a "bridge" in the ice in an effort to continue to expand. But once the ice heaves upward it forms a natural insulating layer of ice over water with pocket of air between. Little if any ice forms under the heaved layer because of this. The natural weight of the bridge can cause it to fall at various times to create open water ice floats. While it will freeze pretty quickly if the temp is cold enough, this period in time makes this a real hazard to skiers and ice fishermen and snowmobiles. Since the expansion can happen over a half hour period or even less, running on lakes all winter long in cold weather where the lake is still creating ice will be a hazard. In the spring when the temps start warming, ice is not being made and this process stops.

During a normal winter with lots of snow, the weight of the snow will actually cause the ice to sink and water will find it's way thru expansion cracks up over the layer of ice forming a slush layer which can re freeze again. This can happen over and over as more and more snow is added. Every ice fisherman knows this layering and is why you need to drill thru many layers in late winter to get all the way thru to the lake. This layer process often slows down or stops the heaving process because the whole layering of the ice is not as strong as solid ice and is not as likely to be as buoyant either. Of course this winter has been fairly snow-less so there is very little if any layering so stronger ice and expansion is happening rapidly...all the main ingredients to cause these bridges to form.
 

slimcake

Well-known member
Holy lesson!!! Thanks!! Think we will just stay off the lake this trip.... Nothing more scary than dark wet cold and drowning..... no thanks!!
 
Seems to me there is usually weird ice formations near that area(Fishtales north 1/4 mile) I've seen many ice heaves there, and two years ago there were pieces of ice sticking straight up like panes of glass, 6" to 12" tall. They weren't too thick, you could break them if you kicked them. Oh yea and 3 years ago the ice in Late march piled 15 feet high in front of our cabin, it tore our dock and shore station from the concrete foundation and when it receded our shore station was 60 feet out in lake. Dock was totaled.
 
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Team Elkhorn

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I tell all the noobs I ride with on Lake Gogebic to watch for ice heaves. Last winter we had lunch at Fishtales and watched a guy removing part of an ice heave that was blocking the boat ramp with a chain saw and a sledge hammer.
 

fire126

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When we were up there this weekend they said on the tv that a man from Iowa on a sled hit an ice heave. Thrown ten feet up in the air and fell off his machine. Brought to the hospital for treatment.
 

berglandbaybar

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Not being a smartazz but sunk? Ice floats...Saw recently (i think on this site) that a sledder hit a heave and was thrown 10 feet in the air and was knocked unconsious. It's -13 in ironwood.

Well articgeorge, not to be a smartazz either but sinks, floats, goes under the other ice whatever. All I am trying to do is warn people of a very dangerous situation.
 

chords

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This pic will give you an idea how strong of force ice can have.
 

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