As said above, I saw Cabela's has some gore-tex bibs on clearance. Pretty good deals. I was looking into them, but the only ones in my size and in a color I would want are non-insulated. I was wondering if anyone uses non-insulated bibs for trail riding - if layering with bibs works well enough for warmth. I use a non-insulated shell jacket, and I don't have any issues with the cold, but I feel as if most of the warmth and protection from the wind/cold comes from the bibs. I'll probably hold off but wanted to see what the opinions are on if noninsulated bibs work for trail riding or for more extreme conditions (low temps & higher speeds at times).