Ignition Problem - 2002 Ski-Doo Legend 700

marty700

Member
Has anyone heard of this problem? If the engine has been running for a minute or two, if I shut it down it won't restart for about five to ten minutes. If the engine has been running for a while, it won't restart for about fifteen minutes. In the meantime, there's no spark. When it does start, it fires right up with a two second turnover on the starter. Its like there's some sort of interlock that has to cool down before it will restart. The engine runs very cool so its nowhere near overheating. The temp guage is always low to mid-line. The sled has the DPM and I hope its not something in the MPEM box.
 

dab102999

New member
Could be stator starting to go?? Maybe....usually once they get warm they won't work though but have heard some crazy storys about them from some late 90's cat guys.....
 

marty700

Member
The engine never died or performed poorly in any way while running. It was just an issue getting it re-started. Once running, the engine ran great.
 

olsmann

New member
Im guessing its a stator, engine heats up, windings in the stator expand and you lose spark. I would try to do a ohm test when is cold, then do another when its hot. I could be wrong but it seems like stators do really weird things when they go bad.
 

dab102999

New member
The engine never died or performed poorly in any way while running. It was just an issue getting it re-started. Once running, the engine ran great.

After that statement I wouldn't rule out the stator but it sounds more like it is in the brain or coil. Stators will do strange things but usually once warm you loose stuff, and usually they don't cool down that fast to allow you to restart. Do you have another 700 that you could swap brains (MPEM)with to see if you can narrow your search?? Check those plug wires over also to make sure they aren't cracked or the caps loose.
 

marty700

Member
Funny you should ask if I have another 2002 Legend 700. I actually do - but it has the DPM and I think the MPEM is different. I'm asking the dealer if they're the same.
 

dab102999

New member
Should be good enough to fire it. I would start the one that is having problems, with the other MPEM in hand. Shut the one with problems down and try and restart right away. If it won't start switch it out and see what happens. If it starts hurry up and put the one back on that didn't work and see what happens then. If it won't start you know your ploblems. If this isn't it take your air box off and look at that coil real good. Even do a swap on that if you have to. You also said these are legends. I assume they are electric start?? For the heck of it look at fuses and relays also. Maybe one of the relays are getting warm and opening up on ya too....
 

marty700

Member
Thanks for the advice. I'll give the MPEM swap a try. I have a shop manual that says the calibration points are different for the DPM sled (the 700GS model) vs. the non-DPM model (the 700 Sport model). So the other MPEM may not work at all. I guess I'll probably have to take it in. But I'll give it a try.
 

famousguy

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Do you have the carb heaters on or off? Sounds crazy, but on our 700's, when we had the carb heaters on, they did not want to restart even when the engines were still warm. we always leave them off and never had trouble since.
 

marty700

Member
Tried swapping out the MPEM's. Couldn't do it. The plugs were different and there is no place to plug in the DPM. I took it in to the Ski-Doo dealer. He doesn't think its the MPEM. He thinks the problem is likely in the starter relays. Anyway, I'll post back once we get it figured out.
 

marty700

Member
The dealer mechanic couldn't get the problem to repeat itself in the shop. However, he strongly believes that the problem was a sticking relay. There are two relays that impact the starting sequence. He doesn't think it was the "starter" relay because the solenoid came up and released properly when the start button was depressed and released. He thinks it was the other relay. Its a cheap part (relatively, compared to the MPEM), so I told him to replace it. We'll see if the problem resurfaces.
 

marty700

Member
I was just going through my old posts and realized I never "circled back" on this one. Turns out it was definitely the stator. After a few more weeks of trying everything but the stator, the thing finally failed hard. I had the dealer replaced the stator (that hurt the pocketbook!) and the problem was solved. I was hoping it was something else - but I guess I was just in denial.

Thanks to the folks who responded.
 
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