Pulling a cargo trailer in high winds and ice

600_RMK_144

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I nearly $hit myself yesterday when I went out in the weather for the first time pulling my 6X12 enclosed cargo trailer (6ft tall) with my sled snugled safely inside. Winds were howling at around 40-50 mph and the road was completely iced over. My speed was a whopping 15. When I looked back to check on the trailer, it was getting PUSHED OFF THE ROAD by the wind! My "tank" (Suburban) was holding the road just fine, but the trailer was all over the place! Is this something I just learn to live (and drive) with? I made it 1 mile before I turned around and headed back home. I'm concerned I could encounter the same issues on a long trip and obviously turning around would not be an option. So, do I just need to grow a pair? Or should I have not been out in the IA blizzard of 2013? I went with an enclosed to protect the sled from the elements, but if I can't pull it in conditions that obviously could be encountered on a regular basis in this sport, then maybe I need to reconsider? Thanks for reading this long post and for your thoughts.
 

luke_duke

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I nearly $hit myself yesterday when I went out in the weather for the first time pulling my 6X12 enclosed cargo trailer (6ft tall) with my sled snugled safely inside. Winds were howling at around 40-50 mph and the road was completely iced over. My speed was a whopping 15. When I looked back to check on the trailer, it was getting PUSHED OFF THE ROAD by the wind! My "tank" (Suburban) was holding the road just fine, but the trailer was all over the place! Is this something I just learn to live (and drive) with? I made it 1 mile before I turned around and headed back home. I'm concerned I could encounter the same issues on a long trip and obviously turning around would not be an option. So, do I just need to grow a pair? Or should I have not been out in the IA blizzard of 2013? I went with an enclosed to protect the sled from the elements, but if I can't pull it in conditions that obviously could be encountered on a regular basis in this sport, then maybe I need to reconsider? Thanks for reading this long post and for your thoughts.

I have never encountered it before. I would say it probably won't happen again. Sounds like you had the perfect conditions for this to happen
 

thebreeze

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The worst part about snowmobiling, IMO, is driving in junk weather. Unfortunately, the answer is sacking up, driving slow, and occasionally waiting out the weather based on your tolerance for white knuckle pulling. I also agree that high speed cross winds, is the most white knuckle situation there is.
 

willey

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Happens more than you think. 27' in-line did the same thing to my f-150 last year on the way to IP. Not fun at all! Check your shorts kind of excitement. Lol!
 

snoluver1

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Happens more than you think. 27' in-line did the same thing to my f-150 last year on the way to IP. Not fun at all! Check your shorts kind of excitement. Lol!

27 footer with a half ton truck?? Your just begging for problems!

That being said, a mean 40-50 mph cross wind is going to blow around ANY size trailer. Something you just have to deal with in the towing game. They do make snow tires for trailers though. A lot of guys out west run them and say it is a night and day difference!
 

600_RMK_144

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27 footer with a half ton truck?? Your just begging for problems!

That being said, a mean 40-50 mph cross wind is going to blow around ANY size trailer. Something you just have to deal with in the towing game. They do make snow tires for trailers though. A lot of guys out west run them and say it is a night and day difference!

Would those be studded? Or just more aggressive tread design? Thanks for the input!
 

600_RMK_144

Active member
The worst part about snowmobiling, IMO, is driving in junk weather. Unfortunately, the answer is sacking up, driving slow, and occasionally waiting out the weather based on your tolerance for white knuckle pulling. I also agree that high speed cross winds, is the most white knuckle situation there is.
And, YES! It was a crazy (white out) cross wind!
 

heckler56

Active member
A little over 3 years ago I can back from the UP with similar winds. As I was pulling a 2 place enclosed (clam shell) with a F350 diesel, I did not notice it, but stopped on a off ramp "cuz something did not feel right. It turned out the clam shell ripped off and was held on by the sled's skis.
Yes, winds can affect you, but it sounds like the o'le Suburban has plenty of heft to keep you pointed in the right direction. Keep pressing on.

I nearly $hit myself yesterday when I went out in the weather for the first time pulling my 6X12 enclosed cargo trailer (6ft tall) with my sled snugled safely inside. Winds were howling at around 40-50 mph and the road was completely iced over. My speed was a whopping 15. When I looked back to check on the trailer, it was getting PUSHED OFF THE ROAD by the wind! My "tank" (Suburban) was holding the road just fine, but the trailer was all over the place! Is this something I just learn to live (and drive) with? I made it 1 mile before I turned around and headed back home. I'm concerned I could encounter the same issues on a long trip and obviously turning around would not be an option. So, do I just need to grow a pair? Or should I have not been out in the IA blizzard of 2013? I went with an enclosed to protect the sled from the elements, but if I can't pull it in conditions that obviously could be encountered on a regular basis in this sport, then maybe I need to reconsider? Thanks for reading this long post and for your thoughts.
 

scott_l

Member
Have you pulled the trailer with the sled in it before on dry roads? Any problems? If you have not I would suggests pulling the sled in the trailer getting on the freeway and see what it does. Maybe you can move the sled forward or backwards a little to help reduce the problem? I got a chuckle out of your ""So, do I just need to grow a pair"" well maybe your going to half to readjust "your pair", but I always go with the gut feeling. If the roads are bad slow down, if the roads are really bad and your up north.....Mr boss the road are to bad I won't be in on Monday :)
 
A 6x12 would be really small to put on an equalizer hitch on but it would help a lot. It ties the truck and trailer together (that way you head to the ditch as a pair). Tonuge weight is your friend in high winds also within reason. If you feel it is unsafe pull over and wait it out or slow down people will go around you. I would suspect that you did not have enough tongue weight and that was more the problem than the wind. A suburban can handle a good amount of tongue weight more than you could lift. How much tongue weight do you think you had?
 

600_RMK_144

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A 6x12 would be really small to put on an equalizer hitch on but it would help a lot. It ties the truck and trailer together (that way you head to the ditch as a pair). Tonuge weight is your friend in high winds also within reason. If you feel it is unsafe pull over and wait it out or slow down people will go around you. I would suspect that you did not have enough tongue weight and that was more the problem than the wind. A suburban can handle a good amount of tongue weight more than you could lift. How much tongue weight do you think you had?

Hard to say, but I figured the best place for the weight would be on the axles themselves, so I had the sled as far back as possible (6X12 + 3ft v-nose with about a 10ft sled, so not a ton of front to back room either way). So you are suggesting getting as much of that weight up toward the front and more on the tongue. I'll give that a try, but hopefully I won't encounter "the perfect storm" again any time soon. Well, actually, I hope we have one every week.
 

Cat600

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I had a 4 hour drive last year with 40-50mph head/side winds, and I felt every gust. Given I have a tandem 7x12, she didn't blow around, but the gusts were felt. Basically just slow down and ride it out as thebreeze said.
 

coldbear

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Heading up toward Munising I ran into a squaw that had winds of 35-50 MPH. There were times my enclosed trailer was 60 degrees from center line of the Expedition. Electric trailer brakes brought it back to C/L. A manual tap here and a tap there saved my bacon many times. I hate black ice.
 

heckler56

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Bingo. Push your sled forward with the snowmobile engine towards the trailer hitch. As others have mentioned, the Suburban can take the weight and it might give it a little more rear wheel traction.

Hard to say, but I figured the best place for the weight would be on the axles themselves, so I had the sled as far back as possible (6X12 + 3ft v-nose with about a 10ft sled, so not a ton of front to back room either way). So you are suggesting getting as much of that weight up toward the front and more on the tongue. I'll give that a try, but hopefully I won't encounter "the perfect storm" again any time soon. Well, actually, I hope we have one every week.
 

anonomoose

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Heading up toward Munising >>>I ran into a squaw that had winds of 35-50 MPH.<<< There were times my enclosed trailer was 60 degrees from center line of the Expedition. Electric trailer brakes brought it back to C/L. A manual tap here and a tap there saved my bacon many times. I hate black ice.

Nash....I won't steal your thunder here...have at it!

Back on topic!

Come on man....when you have 40-50 mph cross winds on ice....time to use the cranium for more than a helmet holder!

No trip is worth killing yourself for...no matter how badly you want to ride! You can put that sled way back or all the way forward, it won't matter much...that big SAIL behind you will be moving opposite the wind direction and I don't care if you are using a Mack truck....there are times to decide how important is your life....would your family miss you....can your boss replace you within a few days....do you have lots of life insurance?

Pulling in snow is different...ice is a whole nuther thing...and I have seen lots of roll over accidents to confirm what can happen in bad conditions and two way roads.

Your brain was telling you something and thank goodness you responded and turned around...only a knucklehead would have kept going.

What you have to learn about a covered cargo trailer (and I own two of them and they both respond the same) is that if there is a high cross wind, you can lose it same as something tugging crosswise on the trailer hitch of your tow vehicle. If that happens, you are gone unless you are crawling along. Winds don't last for long periods...usually hours, rarely more than a day. If you are up riding....use a sick day...if you are about to leave wait a few hours. Safety ALWAYS has to measure in a trip and getting there and back in one piece should be at the top of the agenda. Not preaching here...just reminding everyone that there is a heavy price to pay for ignoring laws of physics... and I have seen empty 18 wheelers tip up on 1 set of wheels crossing the mackinaw bridge in a good cross wind as there is some real surface area being pushed by the wind.

It sounds like you have one sled in a huge trailer.....and if that is the case, you might actually consider adding weight to it for future marginal trips....sandbags stacked up on the windward side front to back will add weight to the rig and load to the tongue of the trailer. Slow down if it gets windy...consider tracking your towing machine slightly out of the two track ice strips that invariably develop on the road, to provide it more traction. But use common sense and remember that there is no shame in waiting out a blow for awhile if it means you get there in one piece and or can get back home to go another day.
 

rocketman356

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Hey 600 no shame in asking. But the only way we we turn around if the wind does it for us.Common sense would tell yaa you need more weight in that 6' high trailer.And if your tow vehicle is pulling straight just put duct tape on your mirrors and don't look back.Kidding but we have been pulling trailers for 30 yrs north and some yrs every weekend during winter season between racing and riding and it takes a few pulls to get seasoned to road conditions when they get hairy just go slow when they doo.It's worst at night and have pulled over and walk the road to check out the ice and in white outs at night double checked the gps in lowest setting to make sure where we where on the road and upcoming curves.
 
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EXCESSIVE FORCE

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Heading up toward Munising I ran into a squaw that had winds of 35-50 MPH. There were times my enclosed trailer was 60 degrees from center line of the Expedition. Electric trailer brakes brought it back to C/L. A manual tap here and a tap there saved my bacon many times. I hate black ice.

Must have been close to the casino.....LOL....
 
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