Reverse Osmosis

swanee

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I have a guy coming out tomorrow to test our water and I'm pretty sure he's going to try and sell us a R.O. system. Do these things really work? We have bad (City of Brighton, Mi) water with a water softner. Anyone have any suggestions on what I should ask him or how much I should expect to pay?

I saw a system at Costco last night that was $189.00 but from what I understand it wastes a lot of water during the process.
 

anonomoose

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For limited quantities, the R/O system will work fine. It is expensive tho to purchase.

What issues do you have...iron, sulfur smell...what?

You should be able to remove the iron with a good combination IRON filter and WATER softener. The iron filter takes the big hit out of the iron in the water and the softener will take out most of the rest. Many water softeners can't handle heavy iron in water. They are made for mild iron only. Once you remove the iron, and soften the water with the softener...you probably will find that the R/O system is unnecessary.

Also, the sulfur (rotten egg smell ) often caused by having the WRONG anode in the water heater. Call your plumbing supply and get the one for well water and watch the sulfur smell disappear, once you flush the tank.

Don't ask me how I know all this.....;)
 

LarryD

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If you have copper piping do not run RO water though it-I have learned the hard way and don't let them tell you differently.
 

swanee

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There really is no smell or odor from the water as it is city water. When we drink the water it seems...I guess heavy would be the term I am looking for. It doesn't go down as easy as a bottle of water does. Another thing we have noticed is that when we brew tea we get a buildup of white powder inside the teapot after we boil it. Also my wife gets very dry skin on her head. She noticed that when we spent the week between Christmas and New Years at my parents in Minnesota (they have water from the city of Prior Lake) her scalp cleared up. She used the same shampoo she uses back in Michigan. Sure enough after a week of being home it came back again.

I have used the Mortons Salt (yellow bag) in the water softner the past 10 years. The company that is coming out tomorrow (they also sold me the water softner in 99) told me I should use their K-Life product ($13/bag) and they are bringing me 4 bags. They said the Morton salt has sediment and dirt in it that clog the injectors. Maybe my problem is just that.
 

anonomoose

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Let's see...I don't really understand your term of "heavy water"...if it doesn't go down your throat well, perhaps there is something in it that is preventing you from swallowing it?

Dry scalp can easily be caused by lack of humidity in the air. Without some real careful analysis of smilar tempertures, humidity, air purity...and so on, this would be hard to nail simply to water....

The water quality check should show the levels of Chlorine in the water too, and THAT might be causing the dry skin as well. Back home...the chlorine level might be lower.

The white powder is likely calcium deposits. Not sure if those can be taken out of the water by any filtration process. Reverse Osmosis would probably take that out, but no doubt expensive and very likely a pain to keep working right.

If you have had your water softener system since 99, and have never changed out the media, it is likely the affect it is having on the water might be very minimal (and perhaps actually causing you problems??). These water systems should be adjusted and cleaned at least every 7 years and more in areas that give the medium a good work out.

The brine tank should be cleaned out (salt dumped, tub scrubbed...) once per year.

Salt is salt...paying extra for salt is like paying extra for high octane gasoline to put in your lawn tractor...wasted money. Unless they have some sort of conditioner in the salt, I would never pay that much for water softener salt. My well water system is the best you can buy and the guy who sold it to me said use whatever salt is the cheapest, because salt is salt...they all have impurities which won't get drawn into the flush cycle unless you never clean the brine tank.

Finally, you might want to get a second opinion on the water test. I believe you can get a water sample kit in Pontiac at the health department and after disinfecting the fosset with a lighter to kill any residual germs, draw the sample and take it to the department to test it for impurities..including any possible contamination which could also be the cause of your problems.
 

poprivetus

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I had an RO unit installed a few years back because the well water left calcium deposits and didn't taste good, even after being treated thru a good quality water softener. The RO unit that I purchased has a pump and 3 gallon bladder tank. Makeup is around 1.5 gallons per hour. The "wasted water" approximately 7 gallons for every 1 gallon of purified water produced. So based on the capacity of the RO unit it isn't a tremendous amount lost.
The water is supplied via plastic tubing to a an ice-maker and / or a separate spigot to be used for drinking water. I can only use it for drinking water, coffee, ice maker based on the capacity. If you currently have city water make sure you also have a carbon filter to remove the chlorine.
My system was rather pricy, around $800.00, but I've been very happy with it. Costco model appears similar but alot less money. Reviews seem pretty good, though. Hope this helps.
 
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meathead

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swanee, water

I have a guy coming out tomorrow to test our water and I'm pretty sure he's going to try and sell us a R.O. system. Do these things really work? We have bad (City of Brighton, Mi) water with a water softner. Anyone have any suggestions on what I should ask him or how much I should expect to pay?

I saw a system at Costco last night that was $189.00 but from what I understand it wastes a lot of water during the process.

swanee I use a 2 filter system ,,both 5 micon and on well water in fox lake .illinois and i have very good water ..drink it from the tapbut we also have high iron ..but it still cures all the probplems..meathead
 

jakester

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R.O. water

We use R.O. water in the print shop, and we've learned most minerals are taken out and that water will attack copper and other metals. We found that any fittings that the R.O. passed through had to be stainless steel.
 

jr37

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We have an RO in the house to remove nitrates. Works good for us with little maintenance. We have an expensive model, Hellenbrand Millenium. It has 4 filters. They are a little pricey, but they last a little longer than most I think.
 

tyeeman

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I put in an RO system at our house, got it at Home Depot, pretty sure I paid less than $300 for it. 2 carbon filters, one RO filter and a 3 gallong tank. Costs about $90.00 anually to replace the filters. GE Smart Water I believe is the name. Man, when you replace those filters the first time, , you won't beleive the goo that is on those things. And we used to drink that!!! Best coffee I ever had (fresh roasted beans always help too) and in owning our latest coffee maker about 3 years I never once had to run CLR or what ever through it. The inside is as clean as the day we baught it. I would recommend it.
 

anonomoose

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I put in an RO system at our house, got it at Home Depot, pretty sure I paid less than $300 for it. 2 carbon filters, one RO filter and a 3 gallong tank. Costs about $90.00 anually to replace the filters. GE Smart Water I believe is the name. Man, when you replace those filters the first time, , you won't beleive the goo that is on those things. And we used to drink that!!! Best coffee I ever had (fresh roasted beans always help too) and in owning our latest coffee maker about 3 years I never once had to run CLR or what ever through it. The inside is as clean as the day we baught it. I would recommend it.

Okay, so here is the trouble I have with water filtration systems like this.

All your water is now being drawn down thru that crap that the filter is now filtering out. So instead of having tiny amounts of the stuff floating thru, you are mega dosing the water you are filtering with the very stuff you are trying to filter out. Not sure about this process...as the more you use the filter the more crap it collects.
 

swanee

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Update... so the guy came out today (hour late) and apparently our water has 666 PPM of debris floating in it. He's a "certified water specialist" so I need to give him the credibility he deserves. Then he takes two glasses from my cupboard and removes two tea bags from a box of Lipton in his briefcase (great sales tool). Fills one glass with tap water (cold after it had run 10 seconds) and one glass with his bottled water (11PPM). Puts a tea bag in each glass and we microwave it for 4 minutes. Pulls glasses out and shakes each tea bag equally, removes and disposes of tea bags. Unbelievable the difference in tea: the tap water tea was black like coffee and the bottled water was gold, like the example on the box. Smelled both glasses and the tap water tea definitely smelled worse. Incredible! The unit he is selling is $825 with install.

Those of you that have installed your own are they easy to install? I'm not Mr Handyman but I can figure some stuff out. The nice thing with having them do it is I know it is done right and the only thing I have to do is write the check.
 

tomxc700

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No they aren't very hard to install. I bought a Kenmore a few years back and the hardest part of the install was drilling the holes in the mortar to mount the filters. It is pretty much plug and play if you don't have to hook it up to the sink drain. I drain mine into the laundry sink in the basement.
 

doomsman

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A friend has RO and one of those hot water dispensers
on his sink and is eating the heating elements, just to let
you know.
 

anonomoose

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Update... so the guy came out today (hour late) and apparently our water has 666 PPM of debris floating in it. He's a "certified water specialist" so I need to give him the credibility he deserves. Then he takes two glasses from my cupboard and removes two tea bags from a box of Lipton in his briefcase (great sales tool). Fills one glass with tap water (cold after it had run 10 seconds) and one glass with his bottled water (11PPM). Puts a tea bag in each glass and we microwave it for 4 minutes. Pulls glasses out and shakes each tea bag equally, removes and disposes of tea bags. Unbelievable the difference in tea: the tap water tea was black like coffee and the bottled water was gold, like the example on the box. Smelled both glasses and the tap water tea definitely smelled worse. Incredible! The unit he is selling is $825 with install.

Those of you that have installed your own are they easy to install? I'm not Mr Handyman but I can figure some stuff out. The nice thing with having them do it is I know it is done right and the only thing I have to do is write the check.

"666 ppm debris floating in it??"

What the he!! is that?? You already know that you have city water with chlorine and a bunch of other naturally occurring elements in the water, right?

What you want to ask him is..."what's in my water???" If he is legit, he will have it analyzed, and tell you, a break down of those particulates in the water, so many calcium, iron, phosphorous, etc. ppm.

Then go read up on it....see what can and cannot be improved without the expense....maybe his system is the best way, but telling you that you have 666ppm debris is hokum pokus.

The tea bag is pretty gimicky... here is what is happening; the particulates in the water are working like solvents as they hit the acidity of the tea leaves, and yes they will extract more tea than water than has taken the particulates out prior to use. You can do the same thing with distilled water, purchased at the store.

As far as the smell is concerned....(boy what a salesman) hot water always will extract..or more accurately dissipate and odorous when water is heated.

Aside from the issues of de-ionized water, eating pipes and having other issues, as it runs thru the piping, know that you could eliminate all this by just having bottled water delivered to a dispenser that sits off in the corner of your kitchen. Hey...it's drinking water...won't help your wife's scalp, or with stinky water when you heat it, or scaling.

By the time you figure the expense to install, and keep buying filters, and that the filter is doing it's thing and leaving the residue at the entrance of every drop of water you are taking in....perhaps the bottled water delivery is far better???

All I know is that you can take perfectly good municipal water that has chlorine in it, and try and make coffee, tea, or anything else, and it will stink too...at least until the water cools again, then guess what??? NO more stink.

Good luck on whatever you do...but if it were me...I would call that guy up and tell him that you have decided to get bottled water delivered to the house...becaus his price is too high...and then watch the other sale-man come out and the price drop...perhaps significantly....
 

groomerdriver

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Having owned omes with more water issues than I care to admit, I must say that "ananomoose" knows his stuff.

We're renting now and I have this system installed to our kitchen faucet:

http://www.aquasana.com/

Our well water is better than bottled water, but I like to have filtered water for coffee, cooking etc. It's not an RO system but it's something we can afford.

Check out their showerhead filter too.
 
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