State of Michigan Treasurey Forclosures

hotwire

Member
Does any one in the family here have any experience of purchasing properties that have been forclosed on by the State of Michigan treasury dept.
I have seen a property that has stickers over the door jambs that the property has been seized by the tresasury dept and is up for auction. I'm looking to get educated on the PRO's and CON's of by this type of property. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Hotwire
 

technologic

New member
Look for back taxes and leans on the house. Also, expect to put money into the place... sometimes big money. People can do evil things to a house they know they are giving up. See if the auction house is going to open it up for public display before the auction. Typically the electricity and water are shut off so bring a flash light.

There are some deals out there. Before the down turn economy you could expect to pay upwards of 2/3'rds of the house's value. Now days it's anybody's guess what the house will go for. My guess if it's in a desirable location then you will pay more.

I think that is what your look'n for... hope it helps.

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booondocker

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If the stickers were showing "ceased" all over the place as you suggest, then this is NOT a foreclosure rather just that, a "ceasure of property" likely over something other than property taxes...could be drug related, or more likely income tax issues.

These auctions are typically NOT included in the typical tax sale auctions because tax sales would include properties where the owner failed to pay the property taxes. Those properties are not normally "ceased".

So read the sticker carefully.

In either event, you bid on the property at the appropriate time (auction date) and you have NO recourse once your bid is accepted. It is sold as is. Cash!

Plugged septic lines, broken pipes, heat exchangers that are cracked, and plumbing lines that are plugged are all possibles. Also there could be issues with boundaries and other legalities which makes this type of purchase very risky for those who don't know what they are doing.

On the other hand, purchasing a HUD repo which was once sold on FHA or other government insured loan and foreclosed upon, is much better and safer option.

HUD owned properties provide a detailed report of an inspection (which by no means is quantitative or even sometimes highly accurate, but does provide you with something to at least make you aware of what the inspector found prompting you to dig deeper before you bid on it.

Once you submit your bid, the property can then have a thorough formal inspection and you can BACK OUT of the purchase if there are significant differences between what you found out and what was on the report subject to the limitations provided for in that HUD report.

HUD also often provides financing with the asking price being the government appraisal which you would need in any type of financing if you are going that way. Generally, if the property can't be fixed up to government standards with about $5k of work, then it is considered "uninsurable" and no financing is provided. You can still have it inspected professionally and back out of the deal if you find that there is more wrong with the property than the government report specified.

The HUD deal is a sealed bid process so that the property won't start "climbing the ladder" as would normally happen in a voice bid process which will happen with the treasury ceasure, or tax sale auction.

There have been and still are some pretty smart deals to be had via the HUD repo purchase, and HUD will even give you some money toward closing costs if you build them into the purchase bid. It is safer for most people and only real pros should be opting for the ceased property for all the issues that can befall the uninformed purchaser there.

If you are still bent on going the ceased property route, then find someone who is polished in this process and pay him to help you on it. You would be well advised to solicit the help of this professional and then you can STILL get burned if he isn't as polished as he seemed or he simply "Missed" something.

caveat emptor.. let the buyer be ware!
 

frnash

Active member
(Sorry, I just can't resist! All in fun, of course!)
Look for back taxes and leans [sic] on the house.
Would that include a lean-to (A shed with a sloping roof and three walls that abut the wall of another structure.)? c.f. lien.
These auctions are typically NOT included in the typical tax sale auctions because tax sales would include properties where the owner failed to pay the property taxes. Those properties are not normally "ceased" [sic].
For those, I guess the former owner just 'ceased' paying the taxes? Or maybe he died, and thus became de-'ceased'? c.f. seized.
… let the buyer be ware [sic]!
Be very, very 'ware'? c.f. beware.
 

peppermill

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We bought one of those houses at a State auction a few years back. We really had to do the homework on exactly what the boundry lines and buildings included. We were not allowed to inspect the place. Once we bought the property and house we were told it was best not to put any money into for 30 days as the owner had that much time to pay up. All the money we paid for it would of been refunded if that would of happend. Other than that you buy as is. When we purchased the place ( which some of you know which one it is which is Peppermill's Snow Hut #1 in Rockland). Everyone that was bidding on it didn't really know what they were bidding on except us. They all thought it was a vacant lot because it was worded wrong on the advertisement. Husband went to cout house to check and make sure before the auction. It went up on auction in our county but they were at a minimum and we didn't want to pay that much. When it came up for auction in Lansing we drove all the way down there and we were able to purchase it for $2,000.00 plus then we sold a small piece of the land to a guy in town so we ended up paying $1,200.00 for it. All we had to do was clean up the inside and fix the kitchen ceiling. By cleaning up I mean painting and scrubbing. Husband does remodeling so that wasn't a big deal. Furnace worked and no broken water lines. We got a great deal. You really need to know all details. All the back taxes were paid by the state. I don't remember if the water bill was. We got clean title but it was only a Quick Claim Deed. Now if we want to get a regular title for it it is going to cost about $2,000.00 - $3,000.00. We were told some of the bigger banks may accept a Quick Claim Deed as a title if you wanted to use it as collateral but the smaller was probably won't. Bottom line is BEWARE OF WHAT YOU ARE BUYING but there are some great deals out there if you do all your homework.
 

booondocker

New member
(Sorry, I just can't resist! All in fun, of course!)
Would that include a lean-to (A shed with a sloping roof and three walls that abut the wall of another structure.)? c.f. lien.
For those, I guess the former owner just 'ceased' paying the taxes? Or maybe he died, and thus became de-'ceased'? c.f. seized.Be very, very 'ware'? c.f. beware.
See what happens when you haven't been on here in awhile and get in a hurry cause you typed too much information, and then don't run spell check??!!

You get the wrath of Nash! (er...is that a Nash Rash???)

But I am laugh'n just the same! The old hound dog is still gamier than ever...so that must mean the noodle is still noodlizing! (check that one in your Funk and Wagnalls....::rolleyes:
 

hotwire

Member
Thanks Everyone,
I'm trying to do my home work. The stickers say "Froclosed by State of Michigan Treasury Dept."
Also says no entry to buildings. So no one can enter the building. I guess that if it hits the auction block, just cross your fingers that you're not buying a peice of crap. The outside looks good and looking thru the windows it looks decent, some personal belongings have been left, but those items can hit the dumpster.
Pepermill, was your property foreclosed by the bank or the State of MI.
 

peppermill

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We have done both. This particular property I was talking about was from the State of MI. We had nothing to do with the bank on that one. Everything went through the State down in Lansing.
 

arcticgeorge

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i am cutting a lawn for a guy that bought the home for $2700 from the www.tax-sale.info site. He said it wasent a problem... the amount owed for back taxes was the starting bid, around $1900 and then one other guy was bidding on it so he got it for less than $2800! He did have to have the roof reshingled and order a couple big dumpsters for junk that came out of it. I asked if there were any hidden catches and he said no, clear title and smooth transaction. He also bought 2 lots in Bessemer the same day that he hasent even been to yet.
 

anonomoose

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i am cutting a lawn for a guy that bought the home for $2700 from the www.tax-sale.info site. He said it wasent a problem... the amount owed for back taxes was the starting bid, around $1900 and then one other guy was bidding on it so he got it for less than $2800! He did have to have the roof reshingled and order a couple big dumpsters for junk that came out of it. I asked if there were any hidden catches and he said no, clear title and smooth transaction. He also bought 2 lots in Bessemer the same day that he hasent even been to yet.


So he thinks....there is a reason that they give a quit claim deed....and not a limited warrantee deed.

Bunch of stuff still float'n around out there on this, including losing mineral rights, boundary claims (easements) assessments, etc.

"The only liens that survive foreclosures are those filed by governmental agencies in relation to the environmental protection act. Individuals interested in parcels associated to Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) liens should contact the DEQ to discuss lien amounts that may become the responsibility of purchasers.Recorded or visible easements, right of ways and deeds, and environmental restrictions also survive the foreclosure.

In the rare event (oh really????) that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has not been properly noticed regarding property on which the IRS has placed a lien, such IRS liens would survive the foreclosure process....All bidders should contact city or township offices to determine if there are any outstanding bonded assessments for future tax years on the properties being offered"

Naturally EVERYONE does this prior to bidding right??? Good luck with that one. Course if you get it for cheap...maybe it is a good risk...???
 
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