Troubles Heating the House...

polarisxcsp

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I’m having trouble heating my rental house and it’s costing me way to much money. My landlord is a pretty good guy and he bought a bunch of un-faced 24”x6” rolled insulation and I filled the attic with that. The heater is in the attic and all the duct work is insulated. I’ve put the plastic over all the windows in hopes that it would help. I looked in the crawl space and it’s not insulated and there is literally only 10-12” in between the ground and the bottom of the floor joists.

I got my 250 gallon propane tank filled on Dec 24th and I checked it yesterday and its already down to 28%. Does anybody have any suggestions?
 

megan600

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Hey Stranger! i know this isn't the permanent fix you are looking for, but Keith bought one of those oil radiant heaters from Home Depot and it works great in our house. My parents have one too. It obviously wont provide the heat for your whole house, but it sure helps to keep the temp stable and minimize how hard our heater has to run. It was like $40. To be honest I complained when he bought it because I thought there was no way it was gonna do us any good...but it has been worth it. We actually have two of them going now, we run a bit more on electrical, but saves on gas. Good luck.
 

wags

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Several questions, Do the floors feel cold?, What is the temp of the discharge air from the heater? does there seem to be enough air blowing out the vents when the unit is running? how is the condition of the filter in the furnace? Are the walls insulated?

The heating unit may be undersized for the space. Get the total Square Feet of the cabin and then the total BTU'S of the unit. Once you have those you can look up what the required size is based on your that information.
 

polarisxcsp

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The house is only 760 sq ft. 2 Br's 1 bath. I try to keep the spare BR shut off as I do not use it. The floor is mostly pergo flooring except the bathroom is ceramic tile and the floors are always cold. I did pile the snow up against the house but we haven’t had snow here (mid MI) in a couple weeks. There seems to be a lot of air coming out of the vents when the furnace does come on. I’ve never checked the temp of the discharge air. I don’t know if the walls are insulated but I’m pretty sure if they are its not very good. Furnace filter is good and clean.

I just bought a solar comfort heater and started using it yesterday. http://www.solarcomfortheat.com/index.html It seems to maintain the heat fairly well so the furnace doesn’t run AS MUCH but it will not raise the temp in the house and I keep it around 65 when I’m home and 62 when I’m gone to work.
 

polarisxcsp

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The furnace was running about every 12-15 minutes. Now with the solar heater it’s going about every 50 minutes so it does help but I’m not sure it’s the answer. It might just be time for me to buy a house haha
 

doomsman

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It has been a cold winter for sure, my propane usage is up 15% over last year.
A ugly idea but it may help. Remember seeing straw bales lined up around
the foundations of mobile home and old farm houses? It could be a stop gap.

You may want to get your own home, it is a good time to buy if you are secure in your jobs future. Interest rates are down as is the cost of homes.

Then the work you do is building your own equity. Buy a home you NEED NOT WANT and you are on the way, housing costs will rise.
 

yamahauler

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straw bails work or even thick insulating styrofoam sheets you can buy at menards. Cut them so they are a little higher than the crawl space height. If the siding is wood, you can tack them on with small nails or use the straw bails to hold them in place.

Could be that the output heat isn't at the right temp.

Although it feels like the fan is blowing air good, I had a fan that seemed like it was blowing good. Then when it went to crap, the new one was way better, house heated up faster a lot faster.
 

propjockey

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Something is wrong. Call a tinner ASAP. Sounds like dirty burners or maybe even a regulator adjustment to lean things out. I've been in the trades and a general contractor my whole adult life......Don't mess with gas unless you know exactly what you are doing.

Period.


-J-
 

onesnowman

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Stop the air flow!

NIce to see so many guys with good ideas. I also say if you don't know leave the gas alone. We have a house up north and found that straw bales work to stop with air flow in the claw space, place the bales around the foundation higher then the floor joist this also works to insolate from the direct cool. keeps the floor a little warmer.
 

98panther

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Doesn't the landlord know how much gas it usually takes? He should be able to tell you if it's normal for that house.
 

polarisxcsp

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The air filter is clean. That was one of the first things I checked when I realized how much propane I was using. When the furnace does kick on it seems like the air coming out is luke warm. I know it’s not going to be hot air but this isn’t very warm.

I thought about straw bails but I was kind of concerned about rodents??
 

anonomoose

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The air filter is clean. That was one of the first things I checked when I realized how much propane I was using. When the furnace does kick on it seems like the air coming out is luke warm. I know it’s not going to be hot air but this isn’t very warm.

I thought about straw bails but I was kind of concerned about rodents??

You don't have to use straw, you can use plastic sheeting. You need to stop the air flow into the crawl space. Hay was cheap and effective in cutting down the airflow, which is why farmers (dah...they had lots of this stuff and it was free) used hay or more likely straw. Point is to cut the air infiltration. Did you check to see if the vents are closed? They need to be in the winter. Open in the summer.

Based upon your statement at the top, you are using about 4.5 gallons of fuel per day. For a home that size it sure sounds like something isn't workin or your furnace has seen better days. Some furnaces are very inefficient, and it also might not be working right. If it is old, you could even have cracked heat exchangers...which is dangerous. If it is that old, I would RUN to the hardware and get a carbon monoxide detector. Cracked heat exchangers are nothing to be fooled with.

Since propane is roughly $1.40 a gallon, and you are using 4.5 gallons per day average, $189 for 30 days is high but not so high that it is way way out of line for the weather we have been having over that time period.

Since you already have plastic on the windows, and you can wrap the foundation with some plastic to prevent the floor from gettin so cold, I would concentrate on the attic where 90% of the heat loss would occur. Insulation is cheap and maybe you can talk the Owner into adding some, as I think there is likely some tax credit help for him if he does.

Lastly I would look at some sort of centralize axillary heater which you can spot heat the living room or bath or whatever, at least during the coldest periods to get you over the hump and save some money on the bill.

Hate to break it to you, but when you buy a home yourself, it will cost you lots more money because YOU have to buy and install everything rather than the landlord. Hopefully if you do buy you will eventually build equity and some if not all of that cost can come back in the form of a forced savings account (equity build up). You can buy HUD homes right now with as little as $100 down payment, and even some help with the closing costs....but I am afraid that overall it will cost your more up front and monthly than what you are paying now.
 

polarisxcsp

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Sounds like I need to get the furnace checked out. I just read a bunch of stuff online and like propjockey said it sounds like the burners are dirty and I should also check the pilot and see what color the flame is. Im guessing its probably really dirty from being in the attic with all sorts of dust etc.

The landlord bought insulation and there is about 12” of new rolled insulation in the attic.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys
 

michaeladams

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my brother in law taught me how to stay warm all winter on 1 log. when your cold you take the log,walk upstairs,open window and throw it out. then you walk down the stairs go out side and get it and repeat those steps until your not cold anymore.crazy but it works
 

doomsman

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A question? Is the furnace sitting out in the open air of the attic, many furnaces are not rated to operate in very low ambient temperatures.
Just thinking.
 
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