Ungrouped Groups

snobuilder

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Came acrossed 3 seperate groups that was in search of there members within an hour on Sunday.
First one wasn't fully grasped at first but a younger rider...I presumed male 130# in new duds on a new doo with gopro helmet mount flies into the 3 way intersection we are at from the right, stops quickly and promptly gets out the phone as he walks to the signage...I think nothing of it except he is alone....we turn left and ride on.....3 miles down the trail is a young lady, well dressed ...a teenager? sitting on another new Doo is facing us, helmet off with phone in hand....I slow up and give an inquisitive thumbs up. She glances up from her phone at me and gives me the closed fist last in line signal....lol. ....We ride on. about 3 miles later we come to a slight downhill section and see another new Doo approaching and giving me the palms down slow up signal even though I'm doing 20 mph, ....as we pass each other, I see up ahead a sled, you guessed it,... another new Doo with rider parked on the trail. In front of it you could see the fresh turn around from the guy who we just saw coming at us going back to gather up his doo brood......LMAO....if yur a family....how do you let yourself get strung out like that and NOT wait at every intersection and gather up the family????

Number 2...
About 3 miles down the trail we cross paths with a rider facing us sitting about 150' from a 4 way stop....Think little of it. We stop, have a sip a water at the 4 way. A minute later he fires up his poo, turns around and heads out, now ahead of us. We follow...a good 5 or more miles later and we come to the next intersection where his buddy is sitting....not sure which way HIS buddy chose to go.

Number 3...
so about 10 miles later we are approaching Hy 8 and catch a young fella on a Poo driving left side, center and right side of the trail at a blistering 10-20 mph with and occasional throttle blip to spin the track for 50' or so, but then back to 15 mph....LOL ....we watch and eventually pass ....2-3 miles later we come up to his group waiting at the next intersection.... This time I ask one of the family....are you waiting for some one ....Yeah....did you see a Poo 550 back there ....I said yes....he will be here in about 15 minutes at his speed.....LOL
 
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It's a terrible feeling when you lose part of your group as you just never know where they may have gone if there are intersections. Years ago we used to have groups of 14 or so every year and I would lead. My rule was you are responsible for the person behind you. If you get to an intersection, you wait for them and then proceed in the direction the person in front of you went and then they wait for the rider behind them and so on. Worked very well.
 

WorkHardPlayHrd

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When traveling in family mode for us there is now 2 adults and 5 kids between 12 and 18. I'm lead and husband is sweep. Youngest two are directly behind me. Have never lost any of them. 18 year old said one day that he should be lead. I asked why. He said "so I can go faster". I said the purpose of travelling with the family was to travel with the family. I then asked him about trail numbers, direction, miles between local towns. Answer was I don't know those things. Having GPS and downloaded maps is great for riders, but what happens when the device goes dead and nobody has any experience. Leader and sweep should always have basic knowledge and good old fashioned maps for backup. 18 year old speed demons don't make good group leaders normally. My 16 year old daughter is backup sweep and leader because she always has to know where everyone is. First time she went on trails was riding behind me at 9 years old on the way to see the ice caves. After about nine miles I go to signal oncoming riders and she slaps my hand down and took over. She signalled all day long. Talk about a back seat driver.
 

blkhwkbob

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We follow the mspease plan, but things do happen occasionally. One thing I tell my groups is that if you're ever at an intersection and are unsure which direction we went---stop and wait. We will come back and find you. Do not guess and really screw things up..
 

xcr440

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Saw at least a half dozen situations like this the past season. One was a ‘kid’ 30ish came up on us by himself and began to explain how he just did 100mph+ up the forest road for the last 7 miles (sure you did) and was bragging about how he left his group in the dust. Within 2 minutes he’s on his phone trying to figure out where he is. After 15 minutes bragging about how he knows all the trails and rides them all the time, then he admits he only has 2000 miles on his 2014 snowmobile he bought new.

Inexperience is not something to brag about dude - we left with him searching on his phone for who knows what and no signs of the rest of his group.... maybe some people like to ride like that, not me.

When you get a group together everyone should know who is behind you. A group of 10 of us did 170 and 180 in back to back days and had not one lost rider, and the order of sleds changed after almost every stop.
 

Hoosier

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Good to hear of some younger people out there, figuring it out. Makes me cringe to hear they go straight to their phones for any issue. Learn to operate without those damn things.
 

whitedust

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We ride with varied skill and comfort levels levels so sometimes great separation occurs. BUT we always regroup at a fork in the trail if a new route. Usually no one is more than a minute or 2 behind. For me I’m always looking for that glimpse of a headlight in my rear view mirror then speed up to be seen by next in line.
 

durphee

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Same as mspease...your responsible for the person behind you and don't worry about the person in front (except for the last guy of course :)) If we ever get spaced out the rule of thumb is keep going straight on the same trail. Any change of trail at a intersection you stop and wait. And...always have situational awareness..meaning, know generally your location and where we are going. This can save on a lot of hassle.
 

yamadooed

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I didn't see any of these types of shenanigans over the weekend only friendly people waving their numbers as we passed by them on the freshly groomed trails...
 

snobuilder

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Same as mspease...your responsible for the person behind you and don't worry about the person in front (except for the last guy of course :)) If we ever get spaced out the rule of thumb is keep going straight on the same trail. Any change of trail at a intersection you stop and wait. And...always have situational awareness..meaning, know generally your location and where we are going. This can save on a lot of hassle.

I think there was a plan in place with the first group because it looked like big sister finally realized little bro was no where in sight so she pulled over and even turned around to go find him, but then figured sitting still was best.

This is an area where I have pulled out a map more than once.... a family ride not gathering up at intersections before braaaaping on is puzzling.
 

blkhwkbob

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I've been preaching this for years and I'll never stop: Get yourself the good old round wrist mirrors. They are far better than the sled mounted mirrors because you can angle them whichever direction you want to see. At intersections all you have to do is raise your arm and look for the headlight of the guys following you. Once you use them you'll never want to be without it. For sledding probably the best 7 bucks I've ever spent.
 

Tracker

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Black hawk bob....uhmm no the round wrist mirrors are not better...I have had both...the new factory ones dont have any vibration any more and are clear like automotive mirrors...its 2020 dude...you need to move up....absolutely love the mirrors and dont miss raising my arm up and trying to focus a little unclear mirror....just an fyi....are rule is also if any missing just sit and wait at last place you saw us all...I will come back and get you no matter what or how long

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blkhwkbob

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Black hawk bob....uhmm no the round wrist mirrors are not better...I have had both...the new factory ones dont have any vibration any more and are clear like automotive mirrors...its 2020 dude...you need to move up....absolutely love the mirrors and dont miss raising my arm up and trying to focus a little unclear mirror....just an fyi....are rule is also if any missing just sit and wait at last place you saw us all...I will come back and get you no matter what or how long

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If they work for you, great. I never liked the sled mounted ones, back when they were on the cowl. The handlebar mounts are probably better because they are closer. I still like to be able to rotate my wrist and see a better panorama behind me. It's hard to break a 20 year old habit, too.
 

1fujifilm

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If they work for you, great. I never liked the sled mounted ones, back when they were on the cowl. The handlebar mounts are probably better because they are closer. I still like to be able to rotate my wrist and see a better panorama behind me. It's hard to break a 20 year old habit, too.

I have had mirrors on/off on my 600's as I got passed on/off.
All I really looked for was headlights to know if I was getting passed or if the guy I rode with was behind me.

Stepped up to 850 class in 2017 and rarely get passed now, when I do those guys are movin the "F" out.

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