Sled Start for Yamaha

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lenny

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what about if your in Canada on a planned trip and that's the temp you get. Mr.Freeze just came back from Canada and it was cold. He wears Gerbings heated suit, gaultlets, high windshield. Trust me, he wants his sled to start and will ride. So for some they will stay in and for some they will ride. It's a great product and suits the needs of many.
 
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whitedust

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lenny said:
snowdogkh, excelent post!!!! Valuable info!!!!


My old 03 RX1 shut down a few times while ideling so I know that function worked well, same with my buddies sled. If I had a 4 s I would for sure buy this unit.


Whitedust, a simple once over will tell you if you are leaking coolent, should just be the norm, takes a minute. I have a feeling you'll be buying one soon!
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Nope..... useless as ***s on a bull to me just do not need it for my sled. Dual Runner skis probably when I learn more about them.
 
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dual runner ski? Just messin with ya buddy but there has been dual runner skis for close to 2 decades and now your ready to buy because Yamaha makes it? As a big Yamaha fan myself, their ski's smell of stench. You ever wanna see a big stinkin gash on the trail, that the next guy will be stuck in because a 600+ pound hog cut right down to the base, you can be sure it's the ski of a Yamaha. I can pretty much tell you now it's not gonna compare to other after market ski and better yet, why cant they have them on their production sleds, that's the biggest crock of crap yet. Your not far from me, drive up to my place and we'll stick a pair of simmons on and you'll be sold. I'm not bashing Yamaha because I do believe they have the best warranty, fit and finish and reliability but still. At least doo runs great skis on production sleds even though they stole the design from Simmons. The reason they sell them cheap is because they don't want their costomers to feel bad because they needed to buy a better ski to begin with. Seriously come up here and I'll hook you up with a ski you will love, than try this new one and we will all know the truth. I mean come on, do you really think Yammi loyalists are gonna buy the ski and say they suck. I have 3 sleds now, all Yamaha and 2 with non-Yamaha skis so I do have some experience with this ski issue and the fact your interested in a new pair of skis says a lot. Take your time and pick the right one because not much is more important than the handling of your sled.
 
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whitedust

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dual runner ski? Just messin with ya buddy but there has been dual runner skis for close to 2 decades and now your ready to buy because Yamaha makes it? As a big Yamaha fan myself, their ski's smell of stench. You ever wanna see a big stinkin gash on the trail, that the next guy will be stuck in because a 600+ pound hog cut right down to the base, you can be sure it's the ski of a Yamaha. I can pretty much tell you now it's not gonna compare to other after market ski and better yet, why cant they have them on their production sleds, that's the biggest crock of crap yet. Your not far from me, drive up to my place and we'll stick a pair of simmons on and you'll be sold. I'm not bashing Yamaha because I do believe they have the best warranty, fit and finish and reliability but still. At least doo runs great skis on production sleds even though they stole the design from Simmons. The reason they sell them cheap is because they don't want their costomers to feel bad because they needed to buy a better ski to begin with. Seriously come up here and I'll hook you up with a ski you will love, than try this new one and we will all know the truth. I mean come on, do you really think Yammi loyalists are gonna buy the ski and say they suck. I have 3 sleds now, all Yamaha and 2 with non-Yamaha skis so I do have some experience with this ski issue and the fact your interested in a new pair of skis says a lot. Take your time and pick the right one because not much is more important than the handling of your sled.
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Yam guys on TY don't pull punches if Yam dual runner skis are crap they will be the 1st to talk down rice engineering. Yam Dual runner skis just started to ship so not available on 2012 production sleds. New 13s don't know yet? I got to give Yam a fair shake on new dual runner ski & at least give them a chance to perform. Yam stock skis ok with triple points but needs improvement & Yam 2 runner fair bang for buck. Heck Curves skis can set you back $400 & not a $400 problem to me. I'm open to the facts as I learn more.
 
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lenny

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you do make a good point in that the dual or triple points make the handling better, but I am talking about improving it so drastically you'd crap your pants. I am dead serious about the tremendous improvements. I bought the last set of Simmons right here on Jd's site for 125 and they were in very good condition, even got blue and black loops. Before the Simmons I ran the duel carbide on one ski and yes it does improve noticeably but basically on the darting aspect. The concave curve design keeps the ski up and riding higher providing a super smooth feel. The Simmons are called the "flexi: ski and they are more flexible than any plastic I have ever run and smooth out the small small chop so the suspension is working less, it's even better for the trail to have the ski flex instead of the sus adjusting the weight up and down contributing to stutter bump and the famous mogul fields we know so much about. My wife, just 2 nights ago got to ride her sled with the Simmons for the first time and she was just ecstatic about how the ride improved. The Simmons rely on the curve to give more surface of plastic to snow contact and lesser design works on the premise of digging deeper to contact base, two totally different concepts. No lie bro that I can rail a corner with less fatigue running a Simmons ski compared to me running a 10" per side. You ever run 10" carbides before dual carbide's existed? They will wear you out so bad you'll be done handling the machine after a few hrs of agressive riding. My confidence has sky rockets running these Simmons skis as I hold my line exactly where I want to and have a much lighter feel up front. These Simmons skis really are nothing less than amazing. Heck, on my 07 Yammi Mtn Lite, a heavy front end sled just like the rest of the Yammi line up, I ran some yellow doo curve skis and totally eliminated the darting, the push in loose and improved flotation tremendously. The best part is the steady line in the loose.
 

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whitedust

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lenny said:
you do make a good point in that the dual or triple points make the handling better, but I am talking about improving it so drastically you'd crap your pants. I am dead serious about the tremendous improvements. I bought the last set of Simmons right here on Jd's site for 125 and they were in very good condition, even got blue and black loops. Before the Simmons I ran the duel carbide on one ski and yes it does improve noticeably but basically on the darting aspect. The concave curve design keeps the ski up and riding higher providing a super smooth feel. The Simmons are called the "flexi: ski and they are more flexible than any plastic I have ever run and smooth out the small small chop so the suspension is working less, it's even better for the trail to have the ski flex instead of the sus adjusting the weight up and down contributing to stutter bump and the famous mogul fields we know so much about. My wife, just 2 nights ago got to ride her sled with the Simmons for the first time and she was just ecstatic about how the ride improved. The Simmons rely on the curve to give more surface of plastic to snow contact and lesser design works on the premise of digging deeper to contact base, two totally different concepts. No lie bro that I can rail a corner with less fatigue running a Simmons ski compared to me running a 10" per side. You ever run 10" carbides before dual carbide's existed? They will wear you out so bad you'll be done handling the machine after a few hrs of agressive riding. My confidence has sky rockets running these Simmons skis as I hold my line exactly where I want to and have a much lighter feel up front. These Simmons skis really are nothing less than amazing. Heck, on my 07 Yammi Mtn Lite, a heavy front end sled just like the rest of the Yammi line up, I ran some yellow doo curve skis and totally eliminated the darting, the push in loose and improved flotation tremendously. The best part is the steady line in the loose.
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Had doo precison skis & were great in hardpak, no darting at all, but no bite in loose stuff pushed big time & would not turn in deep. That was on 2003MXZX800. Looking for something better. The stock Yams with 8" triple points carve much better than precisions & dart gone with new triple points but slight darting comes back with carbide wear. I would not install precisions on the Attak, pilots maybe but want to get performance baseline on new Yam dual runner skis 1st.
 
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lenny

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cool, let us know! Keep in mind how the front and rear work in relationship and it's a must to have the correct set up. On my 03 RX1 I ran 192 picks and 10' carbides. Too much bite in the rear will push the front end, weight transfer in the skid is a big factor also. All these components work together in handling and while changing a ski can improve handling, a correctly set up sled will be optimum. So many people ride sleds and say they hate them but never set it up or knew how to set it up. If you pushed with your old mxz, can you conclude exactly why?
 
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whitedust

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Lenny my Attak rode like a dream today no darting at all held the line in turns point & shoot. 0$ problem today! I'm set up for some ruff stuff & studders & exactly what I got today. Been riding too many freshly groomed trails & really too loose for any ski to carve. Pretty well known precisions will push in the powder & loose stuff & pilot corrected downside of precisions & much better design. Wish I had a picture of Yam dual runner ski & you would see why they call it dual runner not at all like precisions. Precisions are more of a dual carbide ski & Yam like its name has dual tapered runners down the center which accept many combinations of carbides. Very different design from precision or pilot skis.
 
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Saw this thread had been updated and thought I might learn something. I guess it turned into a carbide thread. You lucky guys have snow to ride on. Still no snow here. Have had Yammie 4's since '03. They are all hard to turn. When all else fails bank off another sled or a medium sized tree. You are herding a 650 lb cow. There is nothing nimble about it. A 15 year old ZR will kill a brand new Apex though the twisties. If you don't think so you are delusional. And I like my Sledstart.
 
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snowdogkh said:
I agree...you wont find me out riding in extreme sub zero temps. But there are people that the sled is the only way to get around and it is a livelihood. And believe it or not, people in those climates ride in it for pleasure as well. They think it's "chilly" at -30 and I am not kidding. I have talked to them. Their bodies are just more adapted to the cold then us down here in the states.
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Good post. For me it is a toy. But it was designed to be more. Good for the designers. I liked it so much I bought the HID lights from Sledstart also. Also money well spent. I would reccomend both to everyone.
 
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grub said:
Good post. For me it is a toy. But it was designed to be more. Good for the designers. I liked it so much I bought the HID lights from Sledstart also. Also money well spent. I would reccomend both to everyone.
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How about the Yamaheater warm hands kit from Sledstart? http://www.sledstart.com/yamaheater.htm

It's been a while since I had my Apex, thought Yamaha would have the handwarmer issue resolved by now, at least someone came up with a cure it seems.

Grub, those HID lights must be great at night!! Hope they don't melt the snow! :)
 
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If you go out and buy a functional windshield the Yami grips heat up just fine. For me anyway. I just put the HID's in this year and I haven't even ridden an inch because there is no snow. So I can't give much of a report yet. They have to be better than the stockers. The stock low beam is worthless and the high beam isn't very bright either. The split is not right. Other Yami folks complain about it all the time also. I tried some cheap fancy bulbs one time and they were not any better than the stockers. I am thinking this is one of those deals where you get what you pay for.
 
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whitedust

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Stock handwarmers work well for me too run on med most of time subzero on high but have higher than stock windshield. M&M adjusted my high & low beams told me no adjustment but did something to bring high beams out of the treetops when I insisted.
 
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sleddheadd

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I added handle bar risers from http://lakeffectsnow.com/ and then I Needed the Yamaheaters w/boost. Full power instantly without needing to be running at rpm's down the trail. Yamaha did not fix their grips until 2012. I suppose it all depends on hoe wa you want your hands, as to if you want to spend the money or not.
I also have the Sled Start hid's on my sled.hands down one of the best updates you can do to your sled! Once you ride at night with them, you will never be without them again. Sled Start made it a very simple plug and play and they Rock!
 
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fusionfool

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sleddheadd said:
I added handle bar risers from http://lakeffectsnow.com/ and then I Needed the Yamaheaters w/boost. Full power instantly without needing to be running at rpm's down the trail. Yamaha did not fix their grips until 2012. I suppose it all depends on hoe wa you want your hands, as to if you want to spend the money or not.
I also have the Sled Start hid's on my sled.hands down one of the best updates you can do to your sled! Once you ride at night with them, you will never be without them again. Sled Start made it a very simple plug and play and they Rock!
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2011 Vector LTX all stock, with the Yamaha gauntlets, and if you put the hand or thumb warmers on high, you will burn your hands with leather gloves on. No complaints here about hand warmers.
 
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