Apex or Nytro
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From what I've read and heard, the Apex will deliver both speed and a smoother ride. Apex would be my choice based on those 2 requirements. Kip, Whitedust and others will have solid opinions based on hands on experience.
P.S. Welcome to posting, I see this was your first!
P.S. Welcome to posting, I see this was your first!
Like many former doo customers you could go with the Apex. It's a nice sled and the durability is much better than the doo in the long run. Yamaha clutches and drive train will outlast the doo by a land slide. If you're looking for lightweight the doo is a better choice and I'll admit that. But, anyone who says it's hands down better than a Yamaha 4 stroke is off their rocker. Doo has their plus side but so does Yamaha.
Really broad stroke rider use here if powder Nytro XTX all the way Apex too heavy for that. Primary use UPMI trails Apex but 136 track a min for best hookup & ride weight not not an issue on trails very comfortable sled. If riding WI Twistys a lot then 121 Nytro sporty plenty of corner to corner power 139 hp easy stand up. If you buy new then 136 Viper all the way but will have you in a rider forward position all the time where you can kick back on both Apex & Nytro more so on Apex least of the stand up positions. For me I luved fun factor of Nytro but overall I'm more of an Apex LTX GT guy so bought an Attak GT best sled I ever had & have owned all brands but Yamaha guy now just best sled for me.
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If choice is between those two, I go Apex all the way. Nytro very poor resale value and limited market to sell into. The determining factor should not be weight, as Apex is 590 dry and Nytro 542 - big deal, 48 lbs difference.
At least the dealer admits, the weight is the big downside for all these Yams, and the quality of powder coating on their suspension pieces is a negative as well. I've never seen a suspension rust like those on Yam's. Never had a problem before with Poo or Doo.
If you only care about motor and clutch, buy the Doo, if you actually want a lighter sled that handles, buy a Doo 1200 4-Tek. JMO
At least the dealer admits, the weight is the big downside for all these Yams, and the quality of powder coating on their suspension pieces is a negative as well. I've never seen a suspension rust like those on Yam's. Never had a problem before with Poo or Doo.
If you only care about motor and clutch, buy the Doo, if you actually want a lighter sled that handles, buy a Doo 1200 4-Tek. JMO
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I'm not replying to your post to start a back and forth. I only want to offer another experience to those that are reading since I have NEVER experienced what you are talking about. Not saying this hasn't happened to you....
I have owned 11 or 12 Yamaha's since 2001 and have never had a rust problem on any of my suspensions. I don't do any off trail riding so maybe that's why...I don't know. During this same period of time I have owned two Ski-doos and have rented a renegade so I do have experience with other brands than Yamaha. I am a Yamaha guy...no question. I like quality. I was happy with my the two ski-doos I owned from a reliability standpoint, but to be honest I didn't get enough miles on them to experience some of the early wear problems I have read about online.
I do agree with weight being an issue, but only if you do off-trail riding. If you stay primarily on trail...with the Power steering weight is a non-issue. I currently have two Apex XTX's and a Venture GT, all with power steering. I certainly will not go back to not having power steering. I do like it a lot.
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I do agree with Whitedust on what he said, but you need to let us know what kind of riding you do. Off trail? do you ride aggressively? is wind protection important to you? Etc.
You will no doubt get good advice here...but help us help you
One other positive here for the Yamaha and most of you know this. We just performed a warranty on a 2010 Vector LTX GT. The bulkhead rivets had some slight movement in them. Yamaha warrantied this!!! Now here's the best part. They paid for parts and labor and the sled has 29,300 miles on it!!!! So, I would say there is much more positive about the Yamaha than just clutch and motor. It's a quality product backed by a quality company. No deductible, unlimited mileage, bumper to bumper, and you even get 150 dollars towards motel or rental if you're on vacation when the issue occurs. Of course I may be a little bias but for me personally it's a good feeling to know that the customer is going to leave happy and that's what it's all about isn't it? All these products are good as long as the dealer is willing to help and the company enables them to do their job and Yamaha is second to none in that category. MHO.
dfattack
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you are biased and you should be. People need to hear these types of cases so they can make informed decisions. I usually don't keep the sleds that long, but many do and your story should definitely help others make their final decision as to which sled to get. thank you for letting us know.
Thanks a lot for all the feed back. Still looking but for sure a Yamaha
Good choice on the brand. For trail riding and distance riding I use my 13 Apex XTX, for off trail I have a skidoo. I love my Apex, the sound, the comfort, the reliability everything makes it a great trail sled. If you like to stand when you ride or an on and off trail guy get the Nytro. If your a trailblazer and like to go long distance places get the Apex. Either way, get it from Pats Yamaha (Kip), they are fantastic not only with price but the service department is top notch! I speak from experience FYI.
From my research and reading comments the Apex SE is the most comfortable Apex suspension wise. You could always go up to Greenland and ride them both at Pats to see which one you want to buy. They have a few Demo's to help with your decision.
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Could be prob with suspension rust is specific to the region with sand in snow, and tunnel ice that forms as a solid block, and that all loosens and blows thru the suspension when it spins with the track.
I don't take the time to thaw my suspension every time I bring the sled home after riding. I suppose if a guy did that, he'd eliminate some potential for problem.
But I rode Polaris's for years in ER too and don't remember having rusted suspension arms with them. If you go on TY, many people complaining about bad powder coating, and guys pulling out there entire skid to have it repainted. Not gonna happen for me.
I don't take the time to thaw my suspension every time I bring the sled home after riding. I suppose if a guy did that, he'd eliminate some potential for problem.
But I rode Polaris's for years in ER too and don't remember having rusted suspension arms with them. If you go on TY, many people complaining about bad powder coating, and guys pulling out there entire skid to have it repainted. Not gonna happen for me.
Name one snowmobile company that doesn't cut a corner somewhere. i'm a Yam guy and have repainted more than one suspension. however, i have not blown any crank bearings, piston rings, broken piston skirts, had crappy fuel injection mapping, went thru as much oil as fuel....the list could be endless. granted the wieght factor isn't great for off trail use, racing or mtn riding. but for trail riding, fit finish, longevity,dependability, comfort, the Yams are tough to beat. there's always room for improvment with any sled. sometimes that is part of the fun!
Well spoken ragex2. Nothing is perfect in the snowmobiling world and that's why a lot of the consumers have helped the technology progress because they become such a part of it and sometimes even come up with their own inventions or design which the big four listen to some of the time! LOL!
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Kip - come on, Yamaha listen to consumers? How many years did it take their deaf engineers to fix the low RPM problem with hand warmers?
And have they ever addressed their behemoth, weighty sleds? I could go on and on.
They make what they make, and if you don't like it, they aren't going to change it.
Fit and finish great - no doubt, but too many other engineering flaws that need to be addressed.
Ski's that don't work with stock carbides, hyfax wear, tunnel icing - you have to put up with alot to own a Yam.
Still better than A/C, but that's not saying much unfortunately.
And have they ever addressed their behemoth, weighty sleds? I could go on and on.
They make what they make, and if you don't like it, they aren't going to change it.
Fit and finish great - no doubt, but too many other engineering flaws that need to be addressed.
Ski's that don't work with stock carbides, hyfax wear, tunnel icing - you have to put up with alot to own a Yam.
Still better than A/C, but that's not saying much unfortunately.
dfattack
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WOW. I can see you are not much of a Yamaha fan...that's ok. Hand warmers...yes that was a pain in the shorts. Fixed now. Weight of the sleds...I don't care really. I'm a trail rider. If I was an off trail rider I probably wouldn't want an Apex getting stuck in 2-3' of snow. The comment about Yamaha not changing anything isn't true. the grip warmers were a problem so they fixed it. the ridiculously low windshield were complained about and they fixed it. Just giving you some examples.
The Main reason I even responded to your post was the comment "you have to put up with a lot to own a Yam" simply isn't true. I would say the exact opposite is true. But, if you are an anti-yamaha person then there is nothing I can say that will change your mind...so see you on the trails and I guarantee you I will not be the one on the side of the trail broken down.
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Yes I agree they had some nagging issues and I agree with you it took too long to address them but on the upside they are issues that never left their consumers stranded and I know lots of horror stories of people who switched to Yamaha for the very reason that their engines or electrical issues left them stranded and then the product sat for weeks if not months costing them their season. Fact is nothing is perfect and I can agree that Yamaha has had it's faults for sure. Thanks, Kip
Yes I agree they had some nagging issues and I agree with you it took too long to address them but on the upside they are issues that never left their consumers stranded and I know lots of horror stories of people who switched to Yamaha for the very reason that their engines or electrical issues left them stranded and then the product sat for weeks if not months costing them their season. Fact is nothing is perfect and I can agree that Yamaha has had it's faults for sure. Thanks, Kip