It's rough being a Keweenaw noob.

Willh

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Like I've said before...I'm originally from extreme northern Maine. I've been following JohnDee since the early 2000s (maybe 2002-03)...and he eventually caused me to get on board the LES train and get off the maritime nor easter train.

So...

Now I'm here in Calumet. Love it. But my god am I getting impatient to see some lake effect. I'm literally giddy.

These above avg temperature are just so offensive to me, lol. I've even found myself exploring the phony 'month-out' automatic gfs/ecmwf forecasts that Accuweather shovels out just to see any hint of a real cool down. It's horrible. I'm such a snow/wx weenie right now.

btw, I'm just having fun. Tho I really am giddy to see winter arrive. I guess a lot of people are really impatient their first winter here...
I was never like this in Fort Kent, Maine.

~ Will
 

mezz

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Remember this post in mid-February! :D

-John

If things go the way I think, I will say he might want to remember this post at the end of December. I have a gut feeling we are in for one lambasting. This feeling has developed due to the fact that I sold my sled, this will be the first winter in the last 28 consecutive years that I won't have one. After 34 years of back country, I have called it quits. My bet is on kick arss snowfall with plenty of visits from our favorite folks, Uncle LES, Aunt Arctic, Cousin Squally & last but not least Meester Bleezard. Still loving winter!:cool:-Mezz
 

mezz

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Well slim, I developed a blood clot (dvt) in my right leg 2 seasons back, as a result, first winter of no riding was in 2014 due to the possibility of a piece breaking off & heading to vital organs & causing severe damage or death. I followed the Dr. protocol by way shooting myself with a series of Lovenox injections-fun stuff - NOT! & being on a blood thinner for 6 months. After being off of the medication for 1 month or so, I started to have pain in the same leg again. I was told it was a reoccurrence, however, I don't think it ever fully left. So back to the whole regiment all over again. I discovered that the first clot began at the groin & went to my foot, that is the length of my 34" inseam plus the size 13 foot! As a result of this damn thing, I have had a diminished feeling in my right foot which kept me down to very little riding last season & with that feeling or lack of, did not make me feel very confident about the style of riding that I have loved for 34 years & as such have decided to gracefully bow out. Not an easy pill to swallow, believe me. But, I thoroughly enjoyed what I did in that time & saw many places that so many have not & will not. I also experienced what very few have, it was great! I still have all my gear & may at some time down the road get back into it but on a trail sled, we'll see. To me, there is nothing better than the deep fresh & getting away from the trail traffic, to me, that is what it was all about. I will however, never stop loving winter, no matter what.:cool:-Mezz
 
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eagle1

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Hope you got your snow moving equipment ready!
As much as I love to PLAY in snow, I think I would get tired of having to moving it every few days.
 

mezz

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Move it every few days??? How about a few times per day. It's ready, always is...:cool:-Mezz
 

eagle1

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Ohh I know your ready mezz! Just hope willh has his plan of attack all ready for that mountain of snow were gonna get. If not, well maybe he knows someone with a big red tractor.:p. Lol
 

mezz

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Oh yeah, but he's even a tad too far to help him out. LOL! Then again, to a degree, up here, it's every man for himself! :cool:-Mezz
 

frnash

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Today's geography lesson from NW Maine

Like I've said before…I'm originally from extreme northern Maine. … Fort Kent, Maine. …

Willh, I've been curious about northern Maine for eons, but have never had a chance to get there. I've main(e?)ly been wondering how it would compare to da UP.

It has long appeared to me from a distance that in the northwest corner of Maine:
1. The Moose population is probably many times that of the human population.
2. The roads are few and far between, often logging roads or "two tracks" at best, not unlike many in the Huron Mountains in "da UP", only more so.

Watching North Woods Law on Animal Planet seemed to confirm those perceptions.

After learning that Willh is originally from Fort Kent, in extreme northern Maine, I began a more detailed study of the area with Google Maps. (Walter Mitty travels through NW Maine via Google Maps?)

I've learned a bunch(!), and confirmed my earlier beliefs as noted above. For example:

In the 2,669.2 square miles of the Northwest Aroostook "Unorganized Territory" in Aroostook County, the population was 10 at the 2010 census. That's 0.0037464408811629 per square mile (or ≈ 267 square miles per person!). The Moose population? A "few" more. ;)

And I've found another interesting geography lesson as well.

I used to think that the Northwest Angle (a.k.a. "The Angle"), Angle Township, MN was geographically one of the strangest places in the US — you almost "can't get there from here".

No more, I've found a new candidate, a far stranger bit of geography, in the Northwest Aroostook "Unorganized Territory": namely, Estcourt Station, ME (pop. 4 during the summer) about 32.8 miles NW of Fort Kent.
See: "Along the Border, For Yankee Magazine, by Edie Clark" (Scroll down, or search for "Estcourt Station".) quoted here in part:
"Surely Estcourt Station is where the saying, “You can’t get there from here,” was born."
See: "The Incredible Complications of Living Atop the U.S.-Canada Border", quoted here in part:
Estcourt Station is a smudge of a village that straddles the Maine-Quebec border at the northernmost tip of the state. Although it’s technically in Maine, you can’t get there by way of American roads. At least not easily.
You literally can't get there from here, except during the seriously limited hours that the US and Canadian border stations are open (see below).

And as for the story of that hapless Michel Jalbert's "Border Incident" of October 2002, see: "The Immigration Case Of Michel Jalbert Teaches Larger Lessons",
and also: "Village Customs border on the ridiculous".

Estcourt Port Information (from http://www.ezbordercrossing.com/list-of-border-crossings/maine/estcourt-station-pohenegamook/):
The U.S. hours of operation for this border crossing are 6:00 AM-9:00 PM Weekdays (Monday-Friday) and 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM on Saturday. It does not appear to be open on Sunday.
The Canadian hours of operation are listed as 9:00 am to 5:00 pm Monday to Friday (except holidays and Canadian Labour Day). No weekend hours are shown. Commercial Services are listed as available between 9:00 and 5:00 pm Monday to Friday (except holidays and Canadian Labour Day).

The service hours for border crossings with limited service hours such as this one can change so you may want to call the border office or otherwise confirm it’s hours of operation.
… in the Michel Jalbert case noted above, for example, where the post closed at 2PM!

All of this insanity due to the Webster–Ashburton Treaty of August 9, 1842, which also established the border between Lake Superior and the Lake of the Woods and clarified the anomaly of the Northwest Angle!

Now you know the "rest-of-the-story" of northwest Maine! (With apologies to Paul Harvey.) :cool:

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chords

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My bet is on kick arss snowfall with plenty of visits from our favorite folks, Uncle LES, Aunt Arctic, Cousin Squally & last but not least Meester Bleezard. Still loving winter!:cool:-Mezz

Good for you ! I heard Uncle LES has an extended visit planned with Aunt Artic... you know how they clash
 

Willh

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Willh, I've been curious about northern Maine for eons, but have never had a chance to get there. I've main(e?)ly been wondering how it would compare to da UP.

It has long appeared to me from a distance that in the northwest corner of Maine:
1. The Moose population is probably many times that of the human population.
2. The roads are few and far between, often logging roads or "two tracks" at best, not unlike many in the Huron Mountains in "da UP", only more so.

Yeah, this is something that has been on my mind as well.

In fact...I would definitely say the two areas are very comparable just in a general sense. The trees look the same, the population in both is minimal and the population is dead set on quads and snowmobiles year round. There are trails EVERYWHERE.

Some key differences - northern Maine has a strange dichotomy not seen very much in the UP. That is...they grow MANY potatoes there and the potato economy is a huge deal to the people. In fact...around this time of year the schools ALL let out for a full week or so to allow kids to go make some money helping to harvest the potatoes.

Bc of this huge potato economy...whenever you're near semi major towns (Fort Kent, Madawaska, Van Burn, Caribou/Presque Isle, etc) the surrounding areas looks somewhat like I'd imagine Nebraska...plus huge hills and semi mountainous areas. It's really pretty...and you can see moose in these fields all the time...

But just outside of the fields you have huge sweeping endless forests.

You mention the Allagash region...and yes, it's exactly like it looks on maps. It's just an endless forest of nothing. There is a huge amount of logging but it's not nearly as visible as you would imagine. I've noticed that Michigan is big in just taking a forest and leveling it to the ground...leaving a big empty ugliness. That's not how they do it in Maine.

Estcourt Station? I actually have an interesting story about that area.

Back in 2003 during the month of May my wife and I were exploring some of the logging roads. We were being pretty reckless about this...especially given how rainy it had been and the back roads were now just mud pits. We basically went in the woods around the town of Dickey and drove approximately 100 miles into the forest. We saw no one. Suddenly around 5pm the sun was setting and we got nervous...and trying to get back to Dickey/Allagash...we ended up getting firmly stuck in the mud. There was no way around it.

So...that night and the next day my wife and I wandered north towards Estcourt Station/Lac Pohenegamook (the town across from Estcourt in Quebec) trying to get help. We slept on the edge of the road...etc. We never saw or even HEARD a single other person - and we walked over 30 miles.

Finally we arrived in Estcourt Station. We could find 0 signs of any inhabitants. I assume they must live out in the woods...I don't know. This was a sunday though and my wife and I realized that our only hope was to cross into Quebec. I should mention also that -no one- knew my wife and I were out here. We were actually due to drive down to Bangor on Sunday...and that was all anyone knew.

So my wife and I found the bridge to cross the river into Lac Pohenegamook. Like I said...it was Sunday. We got to the border and it was closed...only due to open the next day I believe. My wife and I debated about this...looked around and saw that there were cameras everywhere...but decided we had a severe enough situation to take the risk. So we just walked across, left Maine, the USA and entered Quebec.

In the end...we got a taxi ride back to Fort Kent. We got help from a tow truck guy in Eagle Lake who took us all the way back to our car, 100 miles in, through pouring rain. By the time we were there it was night...and literally 1 mile from our car the guys steering shaft broke. We thought for sure we were stuck yet again...but the guy was able to jerry rig the steering shaft just barely with a belt or something...got our car out...and we lead him slowly out of the woods back to Allagash and then to Fort Kent...all the time making sure the guy was doing fine...just trying to get him as close to the exit of the woods as we could and then give him a ride back the rest of the way in our car.

We got lucky tho and he made it back all the way...

But it was an epic event...and it just shows you how desolate Maine can be.

I don't know much about the Hurons...YET...but from looking at the maps I can deduce that they may resemble the north woods of Maine...but the scope and expanse is not comparable...

Now...all that said...I'm going to go out on a limb and say that OVERALL the UP FEELS much more isolated, rural and desolate than Maine. Even in Estcourt Station..you're still only 2 hours from a MASSIVE city (Quebec City)...the area may be remote in itself...but it is a very easy drive to bigger cities.

Such is NOT the case up here in the UP. This area feels far more remote.

One other point of interest - everywhere in Maine when you leave the towns the areas outside of town and in between the towns...still has many, many house just off the road.
I have noticed the dead opposite of that up here in the UP. As soon as you leave the downtown sections of towns - you're back in the wilderness. It's almost instant. The house are all huddled right around the town and little to none sprawl or radiate outward from the towns.

As a person who loves isolation and rural areas...I would put the UP far above both northern Maine and the Adirondacks (where I've also spent a lot of time)

Again...the only thing Maine has over the UP...is that endless sprawling forest in the western side of the northern half of the state. But no one lives theres, there are essentially no towns or stores and it's just not the same. Plus, again, it's just 2 hours from Quebec City, 4 hours from Montreal...and surrounded all over by towns larger than Marquette.

And...if you really think about it - the fact that its there, it's empty and no one lives there...it's no different than the huge empty lake around the UP.

So it cancels itself out.

Sorry for the long post!

~ Will
 
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Jonger1150

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Like I've said before...I'm originally from extreme northern Maine. I've been following JohnDee since the early 2000s (maybe 2002-03)...and he eventually caused me to get on board the LES train and get off the maritime nor easter train.

So...

Now I'm here in Calumet. Love it. But my god am I getting impatient to see some lake effect. I'm literally giddy.

These above avg temperature are just so offensive to me, lol. I've even found myself exploring the phony 'month-out' automatic gfs/ecmwf forecasts that Accuweather shovels out just to see any hint of a real cool down. It's horrible. I'm such a snow/wx weenie right now.

btw, I'm just having fun. Tho I really am giddy to see winter arrive. I guess a lot of people are really impatient their first winter here...
I was never like this in Fort Kent, Maine.

~ Will

I wondered if you would find this place.
 

Willh

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I wondered if you would find this place.

I've always waffled back and forth about the Keweenaw/Pittsburg, NH/St John Valley, Maine...but, in the end, Maine was what I knew so I stuck it out.

As time passed, tho, I wanted to find a new place to make my new home...and after visiting and falling in love with the UP...I'm here for good.
 

eagle1

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Wow great story willh!!
Cant remember and not sure if I missed it here or in another post but are you a snowmobiler too?
 

frnash

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Willh:
Thanks for adding your personal experiences and insight on Allagash, the Northwest Aroostook "Unorganized Territory" and Estcourt Station in particular. (It was almost too much for me to hope that you'd actually been there, but so you were — and with a helluva lot less excitement than Michel Jalbert, fer sure! — Jalbert? or was that "Jailbird"?) :eek:

I also enjoyed your first impressions of da UP. There's a lot there, but you pretty much have to dig for it, the really good bits aren't too well "promoted" and that's perhaps a good thing!

Now we just need to have someone buy Willh a Stormy Kromer[SUP]1[/SUP] (or at least a "chook" and maybe a pair of "choppers", and a pair of "swampers") and then when suitably attired, we can declare him a genuine Yooper! :D

Might be well for dat new Yooper to have a Yooper Scooper[SUP]2[/SUP] as well, fer movin' all dat snow this winter!

([SUP]1[/SUP]) PastyCam Sunday, Thursday, December 27, 2012: Stormy Kromer.
([SUP]2[/SUP]) The "Yooper Scooper" (Silver Bear Snow Scoop) from Silver Bear Manufacturing, or nearly any hardware store in da Copper Country.
 

Huronbo

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I'm a 100% giddy about it being 68 today. The warmth so far has been amazing. The snow will come! I also think we are in for a heck of a front end thump this Winter.
 

arcticgeorge

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Way to go Will on living the dream! That's awesome that you made the move to what John called "ground zero" for big snow in the UP. I moved up to Ironwood (about 2 hours Southwest of you) in 2010 and even the worst years are awesome. In 2014 winter came early about first week of November and nailed the UP and Northern Wi. So it could be a winter wonderland in as short as 3 or 4 weeks! Share some pictures in the future if you can and make a snow stick they're fun.
 
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