Sidewinder on Fire
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People change brands all the time. Doo makes a great sled can't argue that. I did take two 1200's on trade this week for new Sidewinders which has been a great success for our dealership, can't argue that either. It's all good stuff in my humble opinion and it's all what each rider wants, pretty simple really. The gentleman from Minnesota that purchased a new Sidewinder came off a 1200 and liked it but he wanted the turbo power of the Sidewinder. He test drove his buddies 850 and hated it but liked his 1200. He said his 1200 handled better and was more predictable than the 850.
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Yes people change brands all the time. But I think as a person gets older you tend to stick with what you are familiar with. I have had them all. Probably 25 Poos, a bunch of John Deeres in the late 70's and even a 2006 Renegade. But in the last 20 years I have mostly owned AC and Yamaha. So purchasing a Yamacat Sidewinder was pretty natural. I know what to expect. And I can live with it. They are all wonderful and they all suck. You pick your poison.
Sounds as if 900/1050 ace turbo may be in the works??? Lighter than 1200, and smaller in size. Thus it will more friendly to position for balance. Doo seems to spread out the new stuff coming on board.
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doo has a 1050 4 stroke?
Not as yet. Dealer speculations as to what Doo has done with ace in other applications. 900 turbo, 1050 na, turbo??? I have these stories before???
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Too bad Cat and doo ...(polaris)....chose in 2006 to not follow Yamahas 4 stroke 3 cylinder 1050 cc benchmark which could have created a 4 stroke race class of their own.
Good luck with trying to figure out business model/plans now days???
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the model was none of the others had a NA 4 stroke that could...1st.... match the hi performance of the Yamaha 973 cc carbed and then 1049cc FI....LOL...even though both Doo and Cat were developing their own NA engines at the time, they both felt they needed 100 to 200 extra cc's to come close.
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Poo, and Doo were not really concerned with Yamaha. New forward chassis is where they were going. Seems they hit the ball out of the park as to their positions today??? I remember hearing that Poo was not going to be able to make it without 4-stroke??? How's that working for them??? Poo my have had some issues, but they worked through them just fine. Kip will attest to that!!! I have always thought the Yamaha 4-strokes could have been better designed with the exhaust and intakes reversed. Rear side exhaust was a cramped fit.
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HUH?... Talking engines here....Rev chassis was 2002.....
Doo worked there butts off for 2 years trying to match Yamaha's NA 4 st. power...LOL...
Cat didn't care as much....they just turdoed the zukes.
Poo didn't catch on to rider forward til 2010 Rush intro.
Besides...I didn't mention Polaris in the quote you used.?...Diversion and deflection, old lib?....LOL
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You don't think Poo wasn't working on rider forward in 06??? Right!!! It doesn't appear Poo, or Doo lost much sleep over Yami, what ever they were doing.
yep they could care less about yami !!! no threat
snobuilder
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Well at least you have perfect hindsight...poo took 7 model years to catch up to rider forward?....OK...LOL...they DID have a 4 stroke, remember?.....needed a turbo to come close to Yamaha Hi perf. NA......they tried...and failed...Cat took til 2012 to hit rider forward....they also jumped into the 4 stroke pool but again needs a damn turbo to try and match Yamaha NA performance....that purchased engine deal with zuke went south and then in a stroke a Cat genius they partnered with Yamaha....if you can't beat 'em join 'em!!!
If you boil it down, everything that is messed up with sled production these days is easily blamed on the worthless EPA regs.....just like messing with Amercans freedom to buy the fuel they want....big gov. screws the pooch everytime.
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Ok guys slow down a bit. The first production REV was 2003 not 2002. The Firecat and the first RX1 was also 2003. Poo was still selling XCs as fast as they could build them in 2003. The very first RX1a with their no travel rear suspensions and 1 inch conical lug track would give a new Sidewinder all it wants over 100. I know. I have had both. The 2003 Firecat 700 was untouchable in drag races 6 years after it was born. Poo retaliated with the Confusion which was unmitigated junk. They have since caught up. But Doo is the only mfgr that has been heart and soul into sledding since 2003. And the sales numbers support this. To each his own. But 2003 was the turning point.
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I used 2002 as intro date..... sledders had them in hand ready to ride in 2002....hence the 7 model years reference between the rev and the rush which to me was Poos 1st true rider forward chassis.
Doo was well on the way to the next rev saddle, XP. And e-tec was the engine they were focusing on. Fusion may not have been as they had hoped, but it was the first step away from the old Wedge chassis. Poo knew they had to do someting. Again, Poo, and Doo don't seem to be concerned with what Yami and AC are doing now either. The SW/TC market is small portion of the sled market. And I say so what!!! I like to ride!!!
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