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ezra

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they claim full syn is not the best for crank temps www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/global/about/craftsmanship/technical_review/publish/no35/ pdf/0008.pdf I had also been reading the same about full syn over at doo talk. talking about surveys about crank bearing failures and full syn use.not that doo is the best base line for crank bearing failure testing but if you need failure results they work.they were saying over at doo the number of full syn crank failures are about 80% compared to 20%with semi syn witch makes sense after reading yami crank temp tests
 
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eao

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That is 7 yrs old. The date on it is 12-16-2002. The had to be using oils on the market long before that to complete any testing to be able to analyze and publish by that date.

Any relation to oils on the market today is a stretch at best.
 
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ezra

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well I don't know that it is a stretch most of your aftermarket oil like amsoil have not changed nor have allot of oem except maybe smell.the article would still hold true if your syn was made form a base of polybutene witch most are.
 
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eao

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AMSOIL Interceptor was introduced in 2003
AMSOIL HP Injector was introduced in 2004
AMSOIL Sabre 2 cycle oil in 2004

So they could hardly have been around when this study was undertaken.

Whats more, AMSOIL is not like all the other oils. They use the most advanced base oil technology available and are constantly making improvements to their products as new chemicals become available. Cost in not a factor in their lubricants, only the best is good enough.
 
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ezra

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well I dont want to fight but for my own interest I have been looking up oil compounds and yes amsoil interceptor and dominator are polybutene based oils.I have used amsoil for yrs just because I followed the heard no other reason.I am on this quest just for knowledge.I may still be using just thought I would share what I found about polybutene based oil.and cost is no factor in there lubes because they get such a high mark up.there would be a senate investigation if there was such a high markup on other petroleum based products not that that is a good thing.
 
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mjkaliszak

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I always found " doo talk " good for getting into an "internet fight" . Best to leave any duke-ing it out on that forum.
 
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harvest1121

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Doo Talk is great if you are working on something and need an answer. You usually have an answer in 10 minutes. It does seem that a lot of the internet fighting is not happening this year. Last year there was a lot of 10 rounders. We just must be a happier country now lol thats a joke
 
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mjkaliszak

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I was on there a week ago and left my " objective opinion " in a thread. The next thing you know I had 2 guy's that had the same sled I commented about , getting all bent out of shape because I told them the sled had issues.... They elected to tell me not to post anymore( LOL ). So , I reminded them of their LACK of "internet etiquette ".... then surmised that I must have hurt their feelings ????? With that being said I realized that they were just a couple of internet Bully's . Therefore ( being the simpleminded "arse" I AM ) continued to articulate another round of battle . I'm thinking that they should have " picked on someone else ". I have always held the" John Dee " site as my favorite and consider it my on-line home . Just good people here for the most part, I have made a lot of friends, then end up meeting them out on the trails. What a great site ! I would go out of my way to help out a JD member and I have.
 
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I tend to run whatever the mfg wants in my sleds. If they want their stuff in their sled there are reasons for it. I don't understand why a person would buy a $10,000 sled and then try to save $ by using some weird cheap oil. Some go the other way and buy overkill high end oil. Don't make life so hard. As far as Amsoil is concerned I'm sure it is wonderful stuff but there are posts on Totallyamaha that recommend against using it in Yami chaincases. To each his own. We need it to snow so we can talk about other stuff.
 
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eao

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As far as Amsoil is concerned I'm sure it is wonderful stuff but there are posts on Totallyamaha that recommend against using it in Yami chaincases. To each his own. We need it to snow so we can talk about other stuff.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Unfounded rumors and just product bashing. There are certain individuals that just seem to have a hatred for AMSOIL and will do everything to discredit the products and the company.
AMSOIL has been the victim of this for many years now.

Yamaha does not own any refineries or produce oil, they buy it from private label bottlers who will do it all for them, all they have to do is set the price. I read that Yamaha lubes are produced by Torco.
 
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booondocker

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All the reference material used was dated 1992-1994 era.

In the oil business, that is right up there with the dinosaur age.

Not to deminish the results, but it is highly likely some other additives could be in oils found today that washes the results of this test right out the door.
 
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eao - There is a current post on TotalyYamaha that shows some photos of low mile chaincase gears that are exibiting signs of wear. There have been many comments and the concensus is that the condition has been caused by lack of lubrication. The owner of the gears was a loyal Amsoil user. That is about all that is known for sure. Perhaps he used the wrong weight oil. Perhaps he was low on oil. Perhaps something else. Don't know. I realize that in theory a person may pick up 1/4 or so of a mile per hour with freer flowing oil in the chaincase. Also it is very possible that there are oils available that are far superior than the OEM lubricants. Use whatever you want. I will stick with stock lubricants and if I ever meet up with you on the trail you might beat me with your special oil and that will be just fine. But first we need trails. Think snow.
 
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eao

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It always has to be the lube right? The equipment user could never at fault.

I get many ATV's or snowmobilers coming in looking for chaincase oil. Many have read internet forums were seemingly knowledgeable people have said you can use automatic transmission fluid, 75W-90 &75W-140 gear lubes and even engine oils. Use anything but what is designed for the purpose. What always seem to be the driving force in choosing the right lube is "how much does it cost".

You can continue to use whatever you want, its your machine but why the need to spread unfounded rumors about competitors products. Just because some guy posts something on a website does not make it true. P

Every time someone mentions AMSOIL, along comes someone with negative comment about it
 
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