again....it was already stated a few posts above.....you didn't READ the thread. it's not $40 per gallon. go back and READ.
2 Stroke Oil in your CAR!!! MUST READ!!!
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again....it was already stated a few posts above.....you didn't READ the thread. it's not $40 per gallon. go back and READ.
I tried this for a while after reading it on TY. It did make a difference in my MPG by a very small amount, the real benefit as I saw it was smoother idle. Vehicle is a 2006 Explorer with 4.6 V8, 65,000 miles. I have not kept up with it as is a pain in the arse mixing the oil in every fill up.
You really need to READ the WHOLE thread... all 39 pages and 18 mos. worth... I think you'll find the answers to your questions/concerns... if not, then just register on the site and post them.
I'm a skeptic also when it comes to stuff like this but after reading through it I'm gonna try it... the low concentrations they're talking about CAN'T hurt anything and it's stated the ratio needs to be correct... more is NOT better. They're not trying to sell you anything... it's just a site for gearheads and they're just sharing information.
I'm a skeptic also when it comes to stuff like this but after reading through it I'm gonna try it... the low concentrations they're talking about CAN'T hurt anything and it's stated the ratio needs to be correct... more is NOT better. They're not trying to sell you anything... it's just a site for gearheads and they're just sharing information.
snow_monkey
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190,000 2002 ford escape no additives still running good when sold.
Must read all 39 pages of another forum, LOL
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The amount is so small doubt it does much, positive or negative. Sound is subjective, If I tell you it's quieter and your listening for it, many will believe it.
One thing for sure - if your under warrenty and tell them your adding 2-stroke oil to your gas, I could guarenttee they'd void your warrenty.
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The amount is so small doubt it does much, positive or negative. Sound is subjective, If I tell you it's quieter and your listening for it, many will believe it.
One thing for sure - if your under warrenty and tell them your adding 2-stroke oil to your gas, I could guarenttee they'd void your warrenty.
snowfish
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I think there was something about this over on ecomodder.com. Also talk about adding a small amount of acetone for better mileage. That sounded a little scary to me!
The two stroke oil thing sounds interesting. Me being me, I'll probably try it. But, like some here, the hassle of adding a squirt here and a squirt there will quickly become a pain. Then it will be back to adding a can of sea foam, at every oil change, and call it good.
I think it's worth a try though. Can't see how it can hurt, other than the hassle factor. Merry Christmas.
The two stroke oil thing sounds interesting. Me being me, I'll probably try it. But, like some here, the hassle of adding a squirt here and a squirt there will quickly become a pain. Then it will be back to adding a can of sea foam, at every oil change, and call it good.
I think it's worth a try though. Can't see how it can hurt, other than the hassle factor. Merry Christmas.
Some people enjoy the info on these forums... others just want to argue.
Oh yeah... how could I be so foolish... he must be rippin' me off!!!
snow_monkey
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I would read it but I am busy putting gear in my new snowmobile back pack.
just an fyi, seafoam will cost you about $1 per ounce, this two stroke oil idea (which will do the exact same thing (except stabalize) will cost you pennies per ounce.
it's perfectly ok to disagree....it's just that it is important to arm yourself with all the facts (of the thread) before shooting from the hip with negative opinions. you don't have to read all the pages...but maybe you should trust in the fact that if you did....some of the opinions your stating would be....misinformed opinions.
secondly....who would admit to putting this in their car while it's under warranty anyway.
anonomoose
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Okay I was going to pass on this, but since things are slow today, here I am posting in a mindless meaningless fashion, probably going to convince nobody who hasn't already decided that putting copper in the fuel system isn't the answer to everything.
No I haven't read everything that this guy who works for the department of corrections in Texas, but let's analysis this a bit:
"you guys know I test constantly and oil/tribology is my thing so here goes. I know the gasoline today is ****. Very dry and poor quality. Throw in ethanol and you got crap/corrosive gasoline. I use Fuel Power/Lucas UCL with great success in my cars and other peoples cars. At the first of the year some of us "lubrication physcho's" (mainly from the aircraft industry) discussed the **** quality of gasoline and the absolute advantages of running a fuel additive with lubrication capabilities and I think the testing is now complete and the results are very good. Biggest problem we had was the proper amount but we are now satisfied this works very well and you will have a smoother running engine/more power/better MPG....so here it is.....
What we are trying to accomplish ( The deliverables)
We need to lubricate the fuel pump/seals/injectors.
We need to clean the fuel system and scavenge water that ethanol attracts.
We need a film of protection in our fuel system to stop corrosion.
We need a cleaner for our spark plugs/valves/combustion chambers.
We need to clean the ring packs
We need to leave a film on the cylinder walls to eliminate cold start metal wear.
This was my groups short list of deliverables. Of course we knew if we accomplished this list the car should A) Run Smoother B) Run more efficiently C) Parts will last longer i.e. fuel pumps/injectors etc. D) We should see more RWHP and MPG"
Okay, so maybe this guy isn't a lubrication engineer, and maybe he just experiments with things because...hey, he has time working in the department of corrections....
He states he is unhappy with fuel, because it is "Junk". Ethanol is "corrosive" and he states he isn't happy unless he is adding some sort of additive all the time just so he can sleep at night.
Well, I haven't added so much as one bottle or can of anything in any of my machines and I haven't found I needed to...but that doesn't prove that maybe it would run better or longer or quieter, or smoother or make it more fuel efficient...it just means that nothing happened to my machines to cause me to "THINK" I need any of this stuff...nothing more.
He says that he needs to improve the "lubrication capabilities" of his machines. Why?? Does gasoline lubricate? Thought that was what the oil did! If he means fuel pump which is the only thing in the fuel supply that needs lubrication, or the injectors to move back and forth and were designed to run in exactly the fuel that they run in by ten thousand engineers who test with equipment that costs millions of dollars and engineers who tear down equipment and test tolerances and other important processes, which clearly is not happening here with the Prison Guard or his buddies.
He says we need protection in our fuel systems from corrosion...can you tell me with straight face that an ounce of simple 2 stroke oil in 5 gallons of gasoline is going to protect anything at all? And what is corrosive in a fuel system that is stainless, rubber, plastic and was FULLY designed for the fuel that comes from the pump without additives??? Last time I took a fuel pump out of a tank, it looked like the day it was dropped in the tank with no rust, corrosion, or anything other than some sloppy electrical parts that caused the electric motor get more juice to run than it was receiving. Nothing indicated to me that there was some bad stuff in my tank.
He says we need cleaner sparkplugs..Huh....my plugs wear out, they look like new when I replace them other than the electrode is going south and even those don't look bad...but I replace them because....after 125,000 miles, I just think I should...otherwise I am sure there are guys that can't even find spark plugs inside those engine compartments and the machines keep on going. Spark plug wires, yes, ignition modules yes...but the additives won't touch that.
He says scavenge water?? Huh....what happens every time it rains....isn't your engine running tiny water droplets that get ingested into the engine?? How can oil...any oil "scavenge" water...it doesn't mix.
Doesn't alcohol mix water in the gas, and do exactly what Standard Oil put in all their gasoline since the 1950's to keep water in solution with the gasoline so that it passes thru the engine rather than collect in the bottom of the tank and cause problems with fuel line freezing??
I absolutely guarantee that if you add "additives" in your tank that you are putting a thin coat of "unburned" product into your cat, and coating the cat isn't a good idea....it works best when it is uncoated with anything...that is how it works. Oils that were designed NOT to break down in the combustion chamber completely is simply speeding the end to the cat...maybe it won't kill it for 300,000 miles but you can bet it isn't helping it out any...that's why they had to get rid of lead in the gasoline products which get sold at the stations. The less stuff in the exhaust the better...means longer life of that cat.
Hey....I am not trying to rain on your parade....use all the oil you want....strap that engine on your back and carry it from station to station and you will get 100% improvement in gas mileage....but when you get on here to proclaim what a wonder drug this "incredible" stuff is...well for some of us...who have been around the block some...understand that we have been hearing about "spark plug rejuvenates" "fuel mixing screens" and wonder snake oil, since we grew up...and now we are a bit skeptical of someone from a prison claiming the "wonder" fuel..process.
Personally I will be one of the last to jump on this wagon, and I will wait and see what all you guys are finding out, after you have used one for 300,000 miles (not counting plugged cats) and will enter this pool water with one toe at a time. It isn't YOU, it is ME...and I am skeptical when it comes to this sort of thing....good luck, and I really hope you have something there....just check back and be honest if you have to "replace a few parts" or stuff goes wrong for you...and equally check back if you find all the wonders of this stuff after running on it for a bunch of years in all sorts of engines.
Over and OUT!
Thanks, I needed that. (Even tho' my hed hertz now too!) I couldn't have said it better! {smile}
bellracing2
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I would say its a waste of time to add the oil . I have 2 vehicles with over 200k , a 95 tahoe @ 202k never had the sparkplugs changed ! and a 99 cavalier with 206k again never had sparkplugs changed . all I run is 87 octan . never had any fuel issues , never had any fuel leaks , never had any engine issues with either car ! the key I believe is in the oil changes , I always change it at 2-3k miles and have had good luck with both vehicles . I even run 1 yr old leftover snowmobile gas I sucked out of the sled in these vehicles and never had a problem . I would say its all bs ! I am a firm beliver in " if it aint broke , don't fix it "
anonomoose
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Take 2 asprins....
Take two aspirins, along with 2 ounces of 2 stroke oil and call me in 5 years to see if you feel better.....I really want to know....keep'n track, don't yeah know! If your head gaskets fall out, then disregard the above advice and just take 2 aspirins.
Take two aspirins, along with 2 ounces of 2 stroke oil and call me in 5 years to see if you feel better.....I really want to know....keep'n track, don't yeah know! If your head gaskets fall out, then disregard the above advice and just take 2 aspirins.