2015 McDoo Gade XRS REVIEW

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lenny

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I have ridden the other comparable sleds and they are all sweet, great competition between the 3 players in mtn segment, all great sleds, capable sleds! There are differences and since I am open minded and want to have as much fun as possible I will ride what is the easiest to ride. Those who claim the doo wins the MTN segment are drunk. They are just repeating garbage some mediocre, part time, paid by magazines (who are paid by the OEM's) to hype it all up.

Momoney, you buy into the doo owning the MTN seg but I never ever heard that you rode any of the 3 sleds in the mtns or own a mtn sled. Did I miss something or am I making this up? How can you accurately report or even comment on all this without any experience to offer us? All I am trying to do is show you that repeating magazine articles is not real world and it's not compelling or convincing.

How many people ride at -42, do you ride your yellow sled at -42?
 
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He just released another video yesterday. This guy has some great footage, check out his earlier vids where he explores Yellowknife by himself...one of the vids he gets stranded and hunker down for the night in sub zero temps. His lastest ones kinda suck since all he does is bash on his new sled.
 
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momoney2123

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lenny said:
I have ridden the other comparable sleds and they are all sweet, great competition between the 3 players in mtn segment, all great sleds, capable sleds! There are differences and since I am open minded and want to have as much fun as possible I will ride what is the easiest to ride. Those who claim the doo wins the MTN segment are drunk. They are just repeating garbage some mediocre, part time, paid by magazines (who are paid by the OEM's) to hype it all up.

Momoney, you buy into the doo owning the MTN seg but I never ever heard that you rode any of the 3 sleds in the mtns or own a mtn sled. Did I miss something or am I making this up? How can you accurately report or even comment on all this without any experience to offer us? All I am trying to do is show you that repeating magazine articles is not real world and it's not compelling or convincing.

How many people ride at -42, do you ride your yellow sled at -42?
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rode last year at below minus 30 multiple times. Truck temp was -37 and she needed to be jumped to start. All our yellow sleds fired right up, sitting out all night!!! He has issues with that at freakin minus 20 and it wont start warm. And that is his just the start of the issues with that thing.

I have NOT ridden new mountain sleds. But you make it sound like your the ultimate opinion. Sum of us dont have access to all these sleds new so we rely on mags and others who DO ride all of them for there opinion. Maybe skidoo paid them more to say that...ya right. I never said one is better than the other and I actually said the pro prolly does have the best chassis....but we all kno its engine is its acillies heal.
 
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whitedust

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momoney2123 you do post a lot of Magazine info which is not very convincing to many of us we all read that stuff on our own. Last year you posted a personal comparo Apex Se to I think your Doo gade or mxz. I thought that was very interesting & you gave both sleds good scores for the market segment they serve. I value that type of personal seat of the pants information when your brand loyalty does not shine thru. Just saying & I'm not defending Lenny he doesn't need defending but agreeing with his accessment. The 4 year warranty statement was misleading but that was cleaned up by others.
 
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lenny

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momoney2123 said:
rode last year at below minus 30 multiple times. Truck temp was -37 and she needed to be jumped to start. All our yellow sleds fired right up, sitting out all night!!! He has issues with that at freakin minus 20 and it wont start warm. And that is his just the start of the issues with that thing.

I have NOT ridden new mountain sleds. But you make it sound like your the ultimate opinion. Sum of us dont have access to all these sleds new so we rely on mags and others who DO ride all of them for there opinion. Maybe skidoo paid them more to say that...ya right. I never said one is better than the other and I actually said the pro prolly does have the best chassis....but we all kno its engine is its acillies heal.
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hey, I have over 5000 post so I know what I'm talking about...lol

Have a good one

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momoney, since you have been sledding, how many sleds have you had and what kind were they? Don't lie!
 
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momoney2123

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lenny said:
hey, I have over 5000 post so I know what I'm talking about...lol

Have a good one

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momoney, since you have been sledding, how many sleds have you had and what kind were they? Don't lie!
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97 mxz, 99mxz, 2003 mxzx440, 2003 mxz 600ho, 2008 MXZX RS, 2011 mxzx 800etec. My father still has some mach zs triples that ive spent plenty of seat time on, but I dont own them. Last year got to ride that brand new apex. Ill get to ride the axys hopefully this year. Given I live in a cornfield I have never been introduced to mountain sleds but I will be going west in my near future and have always followed the offtrail segment of the UP. Just need to get some of my riding buds off the damn trail.

And I understand mags arent always the most honest. But when your like me, sometimes its all ya got. I also have read way too many threads on dootalk and snowest about freerides and summits, pros and M8s from people that are just like me and you. I was close to ordering a freeride 137 over the renegade for 2015. Im sure the first time I truly get to ride offtrail I may never go back....
 
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alwaysright

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As entertaining as this all is let's look at the facts

Doo makes a good sled

Poo makes a good sled

The difference is more about your riding style and color preference (would hate to wear a BRP jacket and ride a poo or vice versa).

Some true mountain riders prefer the doo because of the HP and are just looking to highmark.

Most mountain riders and specifically the guys that ride the UP are riding through tree's where the Poo has proved to be a more agile machine. The poo had motor issues in 11-12 but 13's and newer have for the most part solved this issue, I'd say the burndown rate now is similar to the current e-tecs' yes they happen and people let others know about it when it does, but majority ride trouble free.

as to the mtn segment of sleds, poo has had a larger market share (MTN class sleds) since 2012, I don't remember where I read that, but pretty sure it was a magazine so it's got to be true and it is very true doo owned it prior to that but the poo market share in that specific segment has been growing since the introduction of the pro chassis and doo will not likely reclaim until they offer a better mtn chassis.

Doo still having 46% market share has a lot more to do with the fact that trail sleds still sell 3 or 4 -1 over mtn sleds, that is why poo introduced the new axys chassis for trail sleds, if mtn segment controlled the industy the RMK would have seen the upgrade first.

It was interesting and not suprising to see that Momoney has only ever owned doo's. I grew up loyal to poo (and am at this time) but when doo made a better sled I was riding yellow 07-11. Poo got back on it's feet and I made the switch back, more than anything it was due to the ergonomics and the way the poo handles. I know most prefer the doo's, I just did not like it for my style of riding which is why I went back to poo, albeit a 600 knowing of the 800 woo's.

The point is they are all pretty darn good and to say one is so far superior to another is straight hogwash. Some prefer this or that, heck there are even guys that prefer the yammi's due to the power steering, who are you or I to say, or the magazines for that matter. They all get paid to right reviews and most not all are cleared by the mfg's marketing dept before print, take what you read with a grain of salt. I like the mags for the pictures not the articles, just like playboy's.
 
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snobuilder

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A no additional cost 4 year engine warranty could put most any manny on top of the sales heap except Yamaha due to the fact it's owners
know that is nothing more than the normal break-in/HP development period.
 
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momoney2123

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alwaysright said:
As entertaining as this all is let's look at the facts

Doo makes a good sled

Poo makes a good sled

The difference is more about your riding style and color preference (would hate to wear a BRP jacket and ride a poo or vice versa).

Some true mountain riders prefer the doo because of the HP and are just looking to highmark.

Most mountain riders and specifically the guys that ride the UP are riding through tree's where the Poo has proved to be a more agile machine. The poo had motor issues in 11-12 but 13's and newer have for the most part solved this issue, I'd say the burndown rate now is similar to the current e-tecs' yes they happen and people let others know about it when it does, but majority ride trouble free.

as to the mtn segment of sleds, poo has had a larger market share (MTN class sleds) since 2012, I don't remember where I read that, but pretty sure it was a magazine so it's got to be true and it is very true doo owned it prior to that but the poo market share in that specific segment has been growing since the introduction of the pro chassis and doo will not likely reclaim until they offer a better mtn chassis.

Doo still having 46% market share has a lot more to do with the fact that trail sleds still sell 3 or 4 -1 over mtn sleds, that is why poo introduced the new axys chassis for trail sleds, if mtn segment controlled the industy the RMK would have seen the upgrade first.

It was interesting and not suprising to see that Momoney has only ever owned doo's. I grew up loyal to poo (and am at this time) but when doo made a better sled I was riding yellow 07-11. Poo got back on it's feet and I made the switch back, more than anything it was due to the ergonomics and the way the poo handles. I know most prefer the doo's, I just did not like it for my style of riding which is why I went back to poo, albeit a 600 knowing of the 800 woo's.

The point is they are all pretty darn good and to say one is so far superior to another is straight hogwash. Some prefer this or that, heck there are even guys that prefer the yammi's due to the power steering, who are you or I to say, or the magazines for that matter. They all get paid to right reviews and most not all are cleared by the mfg's marketing dept before print, take what you read with a grain of salt. I like the mags for the pictures not the articles, just like playboy's.
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well said!
 
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lenny

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momoney, what exactly are you agreeing with in the alwaysright post. From me reading it, sounds like not much in common between your two posts except a few minor points.You have proved my point and thanks for being honest posting your sled history meaning you have owned exclusively doo sleds. Nothing wrong with that at all bud but my issue is that I believe you have trouble seeing past the yellow. It's great you think highly and love Doo, I seriously mean that but it seems that the fervor you have for doo clouds what other OEM's are producing. Originally I never intended to debate what OEM is better than the other but rather try to convince you that your brand loyalty does obscure some facts and conflict with real world experiences. In the last 4 model years I have owned 3 of the 4 sled manufacturers, 2 brand new mtn sleds. I have riden a 13 doo 800 154 in the mtns and honestly thought the pro was a more responsive sled, chassis wise. I immediately loved the punch of the etec 800. Old man Dave has an 11 146 summit and not anyone in our 6 man likes the way the sled handles in the deep, not even Dave himself, the fricken sled is planted like a trail sled and you have to seriously plan to carve unlike the pro. The 146 is a great logging road machine but not remotly a comparison to a older rmk of same year and track. Anyways, not much more to gain here so I guess I'll agree to disagree!

If you and I can come away with anything in this debate I hope you could understand my position on how brand loyalty clouds one's understanding. I know this for a fact,,,from experience with Yamaha! :p
 
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momoney2123

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lenny said:
momoney, what exactly are you agreeing with in the alwaysright post. From me reading it, sounds like not much in common between your two posts except a few minor points.You have proved my point and thanks for being honest posting your sled history meaning you have owned exclusively doo sleds. Nothing wrong with that at all bud but my issue is that I believe you have trouble seeing past the yellow. It's great you think highly and love Doo, I seriously mean that but it seems that the fervor you have for doo clouds what other OEM's are producing. Originally I never intended to debate what OEM is better than the other but rather try to convince you that your brand loyalty does obscure some facts and conflict with real world experiences. In the last 4 model years I have owned 3 of the 4 sled manufacturers, 2 brand new mtn sleds. I have riden a 13 doo 800 154 in the mtns and honestly thought the pro was a more responsive sled, chassis wise. I immediately loved the punch of the etec 800. Old man Dave has an 11 146 summit and not anyone in our 6 man likes the way the sled handles in the deep, not even Dave himself, the fricken sled is planted like a trail sled and you have to seriously plan to carve unlike the pro. The 146 is a great logging road machine but not remotly a comparison to a older rmk of same year and track. Anyways, not much more to gain here so I guess I'll agree to disagree!

If you and I can come away with anything in this debate I hope you could understand my position on how brand loyalty clouds one's understanding. I know this for a fact,,,from experience with Yamaha! :p
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I agreed with his comments on both being good and that some people prefer the summit and freeride over the rmk. From what I read on dootalk the 14 summits are the best to date. Have also read about the pre XM and tmotion sleds like the 2011 you rode has it short comings off trail. So that makes sense.

Loyalty is a trait of mine that I guess i was born with. In my opinion its a good time to be a doo owner. But with that being said, any chance I get this year to ride a different brand, I will jump allover it.
 
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Banks93

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I think you are both jaded to your brands.

Polaris has the best MTN sled. Maybe the 174" Ski doo will take some of that away.

Ski Doo has the best trail sled. 800 XRS with R-Motion is the BEST.

Yamaha and Arctic Cat make the fastest lake racers Apex and 9000 turbo.

You want a sled that does all of these things good and at a fair price.

Ski Doo 800 etec, Polaris 800 Indy SP - 2014. I haven't ridden any of the 2015 sleds yet.

I would love to try the 800 Axys this year. Hope Cat comes out with an 800 C-tec motor in the future. If everyone rode the same stuff we wouldn't be able to give our buddies crap when something goes wrong.
 
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lenny

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momoney, don't forget I did ride a 14 doo mtn, it's an awesome sled, great power and so is that cat and most of us would be lucky to own any of them but the pro has an edge, for some of us we need that edge and some could care less because it's awesome to begin with.

Banks, you obviously don't know me in the slightest. I am not the least bit brand loyal but I can understand you thinking that.
 
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momoney2123

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lenny said:
momoney, don't forget I did ride a 14 doo mtn, it's an awesome sled, great power and so is that cat and most of us would be lucky to own any of them but the pro has an edge, for some of us we need that edge and some could care less because it's awesome to begin with.

Banks, you obviously don't know me in the slightest. I am not the least bit brand loyal but I can understand you thinking that.
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Do you kno if you rode it with the sway bar connected or not?

They say the quick disconnect is way to go and as soon as you get off trail disconnecting the sway bar makes a huge difference for the summits offtrail sidehilling and carving thru trees. Also do you know what width the front end was on the summit u rode?
 
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mxz_chris

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You know, 30 years ago, we were all riding junk. I find it refreshing, even with the petty arguing, that it is now near impossible to decide which is the best.
 
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snobinge

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I have been amused at reading this thread!

How did this turn into a Momoney brand loyalty debate and who has the best MTN sled...The original post is about a third party XRS review.
 
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lenny

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momoney2123 said:
Do you kno if you rode it with the sway bar connected or not?

They say the quick disconnect is way to go and as soon as you get off trail disconnecting the sway bar makes a huge difference for the summits offtrail sidehilling and carving thru trees. Also do you know what width the front end was on the summit u rode?
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connected, if a sled is hard to get on edge disconnect is good but even the new doo with t-motion is easy to get on edge now so most people leave sway bar on to keep leading edge ski more stable. With bar off all the weight is placed on the ski in the snow and it's easy to get that ski to catch creating less stability. All my buds with pro's leave sway bar on. The doo I rode was Cameron Chimenti's sled. He and his brother own "10 high" guiding out in WY and he let who ever wanted to try his sled ride it. Cameron did have the sway bar on and it was a great sled, that dude can ride. The older summits seem to have a low center of gravity and they feel planted and that's what makes them very good trail sleds. So taking the sway bar off helps to get it on edge. The new ones are much better, night and day in fact.

The big three sleds are very good and very capable sleds, making it difficult to determine who is king. Each has their strengths and weaknesses. I believe from experience along with most that right now the pro has the edge, cat a close second. Doo has improved the foot boards, steering post angle, body panels out of the snow the new doo's are right there. Poo has the least hp but the chassis allows the lesser hp to still allow the handling to take it further. Cat and doo motors are sweet. Many say the older M chassis (the one I owned) is better but I cannot say because I have not riden the new M in the Mtn but have riden cuzzinolaf's here in the UP and actually liked it, it was very nice. Doo will eventually take the t-motion bandaid off and design the chassis to do the work with no more gizmo. I't doesn't make it a bad sled just not as good as the M or pro. If you ride in the Mtn you will probably notice the difference even less but in the UP the highly technical, slower speed, crazy fast decision making at slower speeds with less momentum, this is where the pro and it's nimbleness really shines.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOw45wRxcRU

here is Cameron getting one of use unstuck
 

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