dfattack
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I saw more sleds this year than I have in a long time. Out west there was just as much. The amount of trailers I saw heading out west was unbelievable. Not sure the market is drying up
2024 Yamaha.Is it going to happen?
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dfattack
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I love my Mach but if they offered it on a sled with smart shox I would order one as soon as they accepted orders
harvest1121
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I will ride my 2022 Sidewinder GT EPS over my 2022 Skidoo renegade 850 any day. But who knows might get a 900 turbo if the deal is right trading in the 850
snobuilder
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EPS has way more value than being worried about sore shoulders. Way more going on than is considered. Too bad the www snomo bullies had to ruin Yamaha sleds for everyone who loved their product by a constant drone of too heavy and EPS is also too heavy and real sledders don't need it....LOL ....I don't think there is another rec vehicle out there that benefits more from a proper "need sensing" EPS set up than a pair a skis on a sled which nowadays is well over 500# set up to rider forward as well.
dfattack
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only other benefit that I know of is the isolation between the handlebars and trail. I really like that. I don't want to feel every single pebble or ice chunk.
Skidoo not so worried about weight anymore more about giving the market what they want that’s why I hope they embrace eps at least with 4s models. They may have to be weight conscious market driven by AC and Polaris for 2s see how well the catalyst does probably will determine direction for Polaris and doos 2s too
snobuilder
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My EPS hybrid Apex and Vector just went up in value....LOL
dfattack
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Hybrid apex? Is that a thing?
snobuilder
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The Yamaha chassis is a hybrid that lands in between the HIGH center of gravity sleds that everyone now offers and the pre 2003 sit down sleds that predate todays sleds. You may not be lifting the skis at will but the EPS in the corners on these lower COG true Yamahas are like no other sled offered today. Doubt me....I don't care.
dfattack
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Why do you have to get so pissy so fast. I truly didn’t know what you meant and now I understand. By the way. I have a 2012 apex XTX so I’m well aware of how they handle and ride. I have over 5,000 miles on it. I love it. That’s why I kept it when I bought a new sled.
Yup, the X Sleds have the rack steering again but you lose the adjustable riser. Got 2 850 X coming, will be interesting to ride rack again. They had it on all 17's when Gen 4 started but pulled from ADR and X and only installed on XRS from 16-23.
Bear
If you watch the 24 release video the Viper and Winder look jittery and float side to side at speed..check it out..not cool.
Bear
SW and Viper are old technology the Apex is ancient technology both are not relevant anymore.
Yamaha is long in the tooth and I cannot argue that Bear. I will say this, how many SRX's or Sidewinders are out there for sale? For not being cool it sure does sell and hold value, and if you look at what they're getting for 2 strokes vs. a 4 stroke it's quite funny. Not near the material yet here they are more money than a high performance 4 stroke, lol! They may not be relevant to you Pete, but we sell the hell out of them every year so that means it's your opinion and I can respect your opinion. However, for you to say not relevant in a general term certainly isn't true. I certainly don't see a bunch of recalls either. People buy these sleds because they get them from point A to point B and that keeps their vacation going time after time. They have the best warranty bar none which people love and appreciate. We all have different priorities and that's what makes the sport fun and interesting. I'd love more than anyone of you to see new sleds and platforms, but it's simply not reality which sucks, yes!!!! It's what we have and whether anyone likes it or not the stuff sells and I can see why it does sell when dealing with customers each and every day who are pissed because they have recalls, stop rides, electrical issues, or blown engines. I'm not knocking Bear or Pete as I respect them both, but there is a market for these sleds, they do sell, and there is good reason why they do sell.
xsledder
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Cat and Yamaha can easily take the Procross chassis and make a 3rd generation of it and still get a number of years out of it. It could be the best high mileage / touring sled out there. Yes, I consider the '18 MY and above Procross a Gen 2 because there is such a substantial difference between my '16 and '19 sleds. They look very similar but they are not the same in ride and other aspects.
SledTL
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The thing that drives me up a wall a bit is the price of their sleds. I could buy a new Viper or I could buy a 900R which has 60 more hp for the same price. I think I would care less if it wasn't the same parts being used for the past 10 years, but its a parts bin grab at this point. The engine is proven and the chassis has had it's ROI at this point. Make it a competitively priced 125hp sled.....have to decide if I want to pony up for a winder next year.