7000 Cat

dockside

Member
Just to clear things up a bit. No this won't be a race sled. Just some typical trail riding up north and some field riding down here. I've been on a 2013 xf 800 lxr for two seasons and came from a 600. Big difference. I'm looking at a 16 zr 7000 - 137. Three main reason for contemplating the change 1) better fuel economy 2) no in-season oil fill ups 3) cleaner exhaust, the wife doesn't like the 2 stroke stink when she's following. So it sounds like I will notice the top end but maybe not the bottom half. Correct me if I'm wrong, is the e-tec 4 the same as the yama genesis 1050cc? And yama has a 4 cylinder genesis 998cc also? Thanks for all the input!
 

snobuilder

Well-known member
Just to clear things up a bit. No this won't be a race sled. Just some typical trail riding up north and some field riding down here. I've been on a 2013 xf 800 lxr for two seasons and came from a 600. Big difference. I'm looking at a 16 zr 7000 - 137. Three main reason for contemplating the change 1) better fuel economy 2) no in-season oil fill ups 3) cleaner exhaust, the wife doesn't like the 2 stroke stink when she's following. So it sounds like I will notice the top end but maybe not the bottom half. Correct me if I'm wrong, is the e-tec 4 the same as the yama genesis 1050cc? And yama has a 4 cylinder genesis 998cc also? Thanks for all the input!

600 and 800 etec 's are Ski doo 2 cylinder 2 strokes. Ski Doo also makes a 1200 cc 3 cylinder 4 stroke that has a bit more top end than the 1050 cc Yamaha 3 cylinder 4 stroke.
The naturally aspirated Yamaha 998 cc 4 cylinder 4 stroke is the grand daddy smack down Ferrari like wicked fast king of the 4 stroke non turdos...In it's current form, the best trail sled available to the free world.
 

whitedust

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600 and 800 etec 's are Ski doo 2 cylinder 2 strokes. Ski Doo also makes a 1200 cc 3 cylinder 4 stroke that has a bit more top end than the 1050 cc Yamaha 3 cylinder 4 stroke.
The naturally aspirated Yamaha 998 cc 4 cylinder 4 stroke is the grand daddy smack down Ferrari like wicked fast king of the 4 stroke non turdos...In it's current form, the best trail sled available to the free world.

Amen to that ....the naturally aspirated Yamaha 998 cc 4 cylinder 4 stroke in the Apex line up has no competition in the non turbo world. I thought maybe doo would address this market with 150HP + 4s but did not. Meantime Yamaha improved the 2016 Apex suspension & new pure Yamaha products are in the pipeline.
 

eagle1

Well-known member
. I'm looking at a 16 zr 7000 - 137. Three main reason for contemplating the change 1) better fuel economy 2) no in-season oil fill ups 3) cleaner exhaust, the wife doesn't like the 2 stroke stink when she's following. So it sounds like I will notice the top end but maybe not the bottom half. Thanks for all the input!

Notice the power difference in big straight aways,75+. So depending on type trails you ride should be fine. Mpg probably around 14 when riding hard otherwise 16, 17 in more cruising mode. Best part, 87 octane, no looking for premium!
 
G

G

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dockside - In a nutshell you will have more weight up front and you will be giving away top end. You will no longer have two stroke smell and oil fill ups while riding. You might get a little better mileage. So for your purposes it is a good choice for you. You don't need an Apex. Although if you rode one for 50 miles you would probably buy one. Don't go longer than 137 for trails.
 

old abe

Well-known member
If you can, ride one first before buying. The 800 you are coming from will ride much different than the 4 stroke due to the difference in the front end weight.
 

dockside

Member
If you can, ride one first before buying. The 800 you are coming from will ride much different than the 4 stroke due to the difference in the front end weight.

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear this will happen. I suppose after a few hundred miles I would get used to the different weight and ride.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear this will happen. I suppose after a few hundred miles I would get used to the different weight and ride.

Weight is nothing to worry about your largest adjustment is engine braking of a 4s. Once you master engine braking you will wonder how you rode without it.:)
 

ridesrx

Member
Is this engine braking similar to that of a diesel engine? Or a different concept?

Well I will put it this way. After riding my Cat 800 all season, I jumped on the Wife's Vector. I was standing up in the parking lot going slow and I let off of the gas and almost ended up on the hood. I was so used to the 800 just coasting along I wasn't ready for the engine braking. I should have known because this isn't the first Yamaha four stroke sled, or even Cat four stroke sled we have owned. I am sure it was pretty funny if anyone was watching me.
You will get used to it after a while on the sled. It isn't really a big deal, just different.
 
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