Attention All Snowmobilers: MSA threat assessment

Admin

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Was asked to post this. -John



Your snowmobile riding opportunities in the Huron Manistee National Forest are in danger of being taken away!
This is not a threat. It is a distinct possibility, following a lawsuit alleging that hunters and snowmobiler's receive preferential treatment compared to “quiet users.”
The National Forest Service is considering banning hunting and snowmobiling in the semi-primitive non-motorized areas of the forest. There are currently 13 of these semi-primitive non-motorized areas in the Huron Manistee National Forest, of which 7 have snowmobile trails running through them.
Kurt Meister, a Novi lawyer who has a cottage in Cadillac near the Huron Manistee National Forest, successfully appealed a lawsuit to the U.S. 6th Circuit Court arguing the Forest Service favored hunters and snowmobiler's over quiet users in its 2006 land management plan. A federal district judge in Detroit had ruled in favor of the Forest Service before this appeal.
Instead of appealing the ruling, the Huron Manistee National Forest has chosen to do a Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (SEIS). The notice of intent was published on 12/28/10 that would ban firearm hunting and snowmobiling within Semi-Primitive Non-Motorized Management Areas. Many of these areas that were designated as Semi Primitive Non Motorized had existing snowmobile trails before they were designated as such, and many of these trails are on the county road system.
Public Meetings have been scheduled for the week of January 31. The National Forest Service will have one at each of the District Offices (Baldwin, Manistee, Mio and Oscoda). The Forest Service will also have one in Grand Rapids, Lansing, Warren/Livonia, and north of Flint. The Forest Service is hoping to have many snowmobiler's and hunters at these meetings.....and expect Mr. Meister to attend many of these meetings as well.
MSA will be sending you some "talking points" for use with your appearance at the meetings or for your letter to the National Forest Service. Mark these dates and attend if you can. your attendance will be crucial.

· 1/31/11 Holiday Inn Express of Birch Run,12150 Dixie Hwy, Birch Run MI 4-8 PM
· 1/31/11 Huron Shores Ranger Station, 5761 North Skeel Rd, Oscoda, MI 4-7 PM
· 2/1/11 Hilton Garden Inn, 26000 American Drive, Southfield, MI 4-8 PM
· 2/1/11 Mio Ranger Station, 107 McKinley Road, Mio, MI 4-7 PM
· 2/2/11 Causeway Bay Hotel (Best Western) 6820 South Cedar St, Lansing, MI 4-8 PM
· 2/2/11 Days Inn of Manistee, 1462 US 131 South, Manistee MI, 4-7 PM
· 2/3/11 Crowne Plaza, 57000 East 28th St., Grand Rapids, MI 4-8 PM
· 2/3/11 Plainfield Township Hall, 885 Eighth Street, Baldwin, MI 4-7 PM

Written comments must be sent to Lee Evison, Forest Planner, Huron Manistee National Forests, 1755 S. Mitchell, Street, Cadillac, MI 49601 Fax 231-755-5551
e-mail to www.comments-eastern-huron-<wbr>manistee@fs.fed.us Comments should contain in the subject line: "Forest Plan SEIS".
STAY TUNED, WE WILL BE GETTING MORE DETAILED INFORMATION TO YOU SOON!

Michigan Snowmobile Association
 
What is he thinking. Upper michigans economy thrives on us snowmobilers and hunters. Just like snowmobiling and hunting has a time frame, make one in the summer for this guy so nobody makes a sound in the woods. Come on dude. Youve got the money, just go buy 100 acres and build your cabin in the middle of it so you aren't disturbed by anything. Crazy, but watch, he'll probably win. seems like they guy with lots of money can always make things happen.
 

Admin

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An update from the MSA...

We reported earlier that your snowmobile riding opportunities in the Huron-Manistee National Forests are in danger of being taken away due to a lawsuit alleging that hunters and snowmobilers receive preferential treatment compared to “quiet users.” As a result the U.S. Forest Service has been forced by a federal appeals court to consider banning hunting and snowmobiling in the ‘semi-primitive non-motorized areas’ of these two forests. It has chosen to prepare a Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (SEIS). While the Forest Service is currently in the process of gathering public ‘scoping’ comments about what should be considered during this SEIS process, it is important to understand this is just the first, very general step in what will be a long process that will likely drag out over one to two years.
Eight public ‘Scoping Meetings’ have been scheduled between January 31 and February 3. The Forest Service will have one at each of its District Offices in Baldwin, Manistee, Mio and Oscoda. It will also hold scoping meetings in Grand Rapids, Lansing, Warren/Livonia, and north of Flint. The Forest Service is hoping to have many snowmobilers and hunters at these meetings to hear about issues and possible effects closing any of these semi-primitive areas may have on snowmobile use and firearm hunting across the Huron-Manistee forests.
It is important to understand that only written comments and questions will be taken at these public meetings. There will not be open public discussion or an opportunity for anyone to speak before an audience. While there will be Forest Service staff at the meetings to visit with, you’ll have to write your comments down to ensure they become part of the meeting record. Written comments may also be sent to the Forest Service prior to February 11 in lieu of or in addition to attending one of the following meetings:
· 1/31/11 Holiday Inn Express of Birch Run,12150 Dixie Hwy, Birch Run MI 4-8 PM
· 1/31/11 Huron Shores Ranger Station, 5761 North Skeel Rd, Oscoda, MI 4-7 PM
· 2/1/11 Hilton Garden Inn, 26000 American Drive, Southfield, MI 4-8 PM
· 2/1/11 Mio Ranger Station, 107 McKinley Road, Mio, MI 4-7 PM
· 2/2/11 Causeway Bay Hotel (Best Western) 6820 South Cedar St, Lansing, MI 4-8 PM
· 2/2/11 Days Inn of Manistee, 1462 US 31 South, Manistee MI, 4-7 PM
· 2/3/11 Crowne Plaza, 57000 East 28th St., Grand Rapids, MI 4-8 PM
· 2/3/11 Plainfield Township Hall, 885 Eighth Street, Baldwin, MI 4-7 PM
Written comments should be mailed to Lee Evison, Forest Planner, Huron Manistee National Forests, 1755 S. Mitchell, Street, Cadillac, MI 49601; faxed to 231-755-5551; or e-mailed to comments-eastern-huron-<wbr>manistee@fs.fed.us Comments submitted via e-mail should contain the words "Forest Plan SEIS" in the subject line.
When making comments either at one of the public meetings or by mail or e-mail, consider letting the Forest Service know about:
· Why the Huron-Manistee National Forests are important for snowmobile access
· How often you snowmobile on the forests and where
· How long you’ve been snowmobiling on these two forests
· How closing any snowmobile trails or riding areas in any of the 13 semi-primitive nonmotorized areas in question would affect your snowmobiling experience and opportunities
· How snowmobile trail networks are dependent upon interconnectivity between state and federal lands, private lands, and communities
· Any information you think might be important for the Forest Service to know about snowmobiling
· Any questions (simple, complex or far-fetched) you think need to be considered or analyzed by this SEIS process
We have hired a consultant to help MSA prepare scoping comments on behalf of snowmobilers defending this important snowmobiling access. Stay tuned, we will be sharing our formal comments to the Forest Service along with talking points for your own letters in advance of the February 11 ‘scoping comments’ deadline.
MSA is a not for profit corporation dedicated to make snowmobiling in the state of Michigan the best in North America. We NEED you as a member, a $20 membership is cheap insurance to keep you on SAFE SMOOTH TRAILS. JOIN NOW www.msasnow.org
MSA is a non-profit, volunteer organization dedicated to the success of snowmobiling in Michigan. MSA facilitates the over $10 million dollar snowmobile program, that is funded 100 percent by you – the snowmobiler.

By joining MSA, you have greater legislative power. MSA is your voice in Lansing and Washington D.C. -- monitoring regulations and proposed legislation that will affect snowmobiling. Make no mistake, without MSA’s involvement, continued monitoring and influence, you wouldn’t have a trail system!
 

ezra

Well-known member
call your MSA lobbyist and ask them about how thay are being treated in DC now days scarry stuff
 

polarisrider1

New member
It's going on all over. Found out yesterday why sled parking was so bad in the snowies west of Centenial. I asked why the skiers had a parking lot and we don’t. Answer was the skiers petitioned against snowmobiler parking because of the so called traffic and noise we would create. We will not go away. So parking for snowmobilers park for up to a mile long on both sides of the road. Not safe at all. Then I was told that the tree huggers had a big victory party in town and just trashed the place. Locals said we are welcome because we don't do that and we spend money in their businesses. The" Greenies order a side salad and water, we order steak, cocktails and tip when done eating. Is what I've been told. We as snowmobilers were welcome with open arms. Thank you to all the businesses in Centenial and Laramie!
 

russholio

Well-known member
Moving this to the top.

Thanks for supporting MSA in this!

Lorna
(who can't remember her sign in info and figured she'd just use Russ's already signed in status!)
 

fredster

New member
My letter to the Forest Service

Thought I would post the contents of my letter commenting to the forest service on keeping the Manistee-Huron Forest open. Sent this today via email and a paper copy goes tomorrow. Also planning to attend the public hearing in Grand Rapids on Feburary 3rd. We CANNOT loose access rights! Letter as follows:



Lee Evison, Forest Planner
Huron Manistee National Forests
1755 S. Mitchell Street
Cadillac, MI. 49601


Dear Mr. Evison,

I am writing to comment on the review of and proposed changes to the Land and Resource Management Plan of the Huron-Manistee National Forests. I want you to know that I strongly oppose any reduction of existing access rights for snowmobiling in these forest areas.
I own a cabin just southwest of Baldwin. From my cabin I have enjoyed the snowmobile trails and natural beauty of the Manistee National forest for the past six years. Prior to owning this property I enjoyed winter trips to the area for snowmobiling activities. These snowmobiling activities have included my wife and son, my wife’s sister and husband, and several of my friends. In the 11 years I have been snowmobiling in Michigan, I estimate I visited this area 2-3 times every winter. Since becoming a property owner six years ago I generally spend time in the area, and in the Manistee National Forest, every weekend from mid-December to late February, when there is sufficient snow to use the trail system and forest roads. It’s become a big part of my winter recreation and is something my whole family enjoys.
Elimination of any part of the existing snowmobile trail system, and adjoining forest roads, would severely impact my ability to access the trails that I currently enjoy. I have ridden the snowmobile trails in the area quite extensively, from south of White Cloud, through Baldwin, north past Irons/Wellston and east to the Cadillac area. All of these trips have originated from the Manistee National forest, very near my property. Eliminating the existing trails in the Manistee National Forest would render my property worthless to me for winter use.
Snowmobiling is an important part of the winter economy in towns that the trail system connects with. Baldwin, Irons, Wellston, Cadillac and many other towns benefit tremendously from snowmobiling. Snowmobilers purchase fuel, food, parts, lodging and other services. Elimination of these trails would significantly impact the businesses in these areas and their ability to stay in business during the winter months.
As a member of the Trailriders snowmobile club in Baldwin, I have contributed to the sport by teaching a snowmobile safety class each fall. The majority of the 20 to 30 kids I teach each year are from the Baldwin area and enjoy these local trails and the Manistee National forest. It is very clear that these kids have enjoyed the area with their parents and siblings for many years. Taking away any of this access will impact them and their ability to continue to experience winter’s beauty and the excellent trail system and forest roads that they enjoy today.
Snowmobiling is an important part of the recreational economy in Michigan. Reducing existing trails and riding areas will negatively impact our state’s ability to attract people from other states such as Indiana and Illinois who currently ride in these areas and others. The Michigan economy is very fragile and we need to provide more recreational opportunities, not fewer.
I believe the existing rules and regulations for, and defined access rights to these lands, provided by the current Land and Resource Management Plan of the Huron-Manistee National Forests should stay in effect, and I ask that you not reduce or take away my access rights to these areas that I and my family so very much enjoy.


Sincerely,

Fred Gross
10448 Shaner Avenue
Rockford, MI 49341
 

dpd43

Member
Nice letter Fred

It might not hurt to put a $$$ impact into your letter. Seems that in times of shrinking budgets your property tax payment, money spent on anything kicking into the state and local tax coffers would be noticed as well. I really feel that the hunters and snowmobilers end up being a "silent majority" in these cases. We took the short end of the stick over a railbed conversion locally and I felt that motorized recreation is looked upon with more disdain than a bunch of outlaw bikers! Snowmobilers aren't as despised as ATVers but "dirty" nonetheless. Thanks for fighting the good fight!

Dave

I did send a letter to MI Governor a few years ago on a similar subject. Not sure she really cared to hear from a WI resident but I have done my share to support the UP's economy in the past and hope to continue sharing my limited resources in the future!!
 

anonomoose

New member
These changes have been in the works for quite awhile. I have a friend who said that he was approached by forest rangers two years ago, in a federal forest in the western U.P. and was told point blank that " this would be the last year" that he would be able to drive his atv on to federal forest property. He was advised that nothing would happen this year, but next year they would begin to enforce the ban. This is hunting land he has a cabin near and is where he has hunted for 50 years.

While I see no harm in showing up and protesting this change of use for federal land, I can see where this is all headed. A few vocal purists, get the ear of the judges who then further the cases one by one and case by case until eventually they get this in front of a non-hunting non-snowmobiling, non-atv using judge who then sides with them.

There is only one real answer to this fight, and that is to arm your causes...aka, snowmobiling, atv-ing, hunting, and every other use of the land to a group that will combine with other groups such as the manufacturers of guns, sleds, ATVs and the members of NRA, MSA, etc. to fight in court for what is right.

This means money folks....hard cash!

If we are willing to drive 150 miles to go to see the newest batch of snowmobiles, or to go to a gun show, or to attend auctions, etc....we need to think of this as a mandatory expense like one of these trips to have a look see...and put that money to work to save the areas we want to continue to use. This is exactly what the opposition is doing...and they are becoming more and more successful in their cause to end all motorized use, and hunting fishing sightseeing...you name it. Next they will end the use of boats in the great lakes, because they might diminish the quality of the water. They might be well intentioned, but their cause is misguided at best. But they are winning...the fight. We need to fight back.

So think of this as a sticker, bump in gasoline cost or other but one that is necessary, and then join your organization and contribute to the political action committees. As this all comes down to who has the deepest pockets and the most folks who will vote for judges, and bend the ear of elected officials.

No excuses....this is one quart of oil you MUST buy so your machine won't go poof!

Just do it...and keep doing it. Divided we fall...but united we win...and drop a nickle now, so that you won't some day look at that sled, atv, shotgun...whatever and say..."I remember when we could use those on public lands....."

Join...and donate today! It's all up to you...each and every one of you.
 

thunderstruck88

New member
we need a SNOW MOBLIE TEA PARTY!!!! United we stand and divided we fall Can an out of state person help out on this would they in Lansing listen to me from Ohio? If so I will call them !!!
 

anonomoose

New member
we need a SNOW MOBLIE TEA PARTY!!!! United we stand and divided we fall Can an out of state person help out on this would they in Lansing listen to me from Ohio? If so I will call them !!!
This is a NATIONAL problem and it will eventually affect all NATIONAL STATE FORRESTS...NOT JUST MICHIGAN.
 

heckler56

Active member
Just a suggestion: Try the defense of Prescriptive Easement. It is a Michigan law. I saw a property easement given to a party crossing over a driveway at the detriment of the landowner in Traverse City (down the road from Cadillac).
 
This is a NATIONAL problem and it will eventually affect all NATIONAL STATE FORRESTS...NOT JUST MICHIGAN.

http://openjurist.org/381/f3d/759/voyageurs-national-park-association-v-a-norton-p-a-us

This is a link to the decision handed down by the United States Court of Appeals, Eighth Circuit regarding a ruling it made in August of 2004 for a case brought by the:

Sierra Club; Help Our Wolves Live; Humane Society of the United States; Superior Wilderness Action Network; Minnesota Wolf Alliance; Minnesotans for Responsible Recreation; Defenders of Wildlife

VS.

Gale A. NORTON, Secretary of the Interior; Fran P. Mainella, Director, National Park Service; Steven A. Williams, Director, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service; United States Department of the Interior, Appellees, Minnesota United Snowmobilers Association

The Sierra Club; Help Our Wolves Live; Humane Society of the United States; Superior Wilderness Action Network; Minnesota Wolf Alliance; Minnesotans for Responsible Recreation; Defenders of Wildlife and countless other mindless "cause of the moment" radicals have been hounding the Department of the Interior about snowmobiles and motor boats use in the park since it's inception. In 1991 this group brought a case that spend 13 years in the court system. Since the 2004 ruling things have remained fairly quite. If I read the ruling correctly the court reinforced the Park Services prevailing authority and sided with the Park Services previous decisions.

The volume of money that both sides poured on this case was staggering. Ultimately, the case went to the side of the good guys, but at what cost? The one really good thing that this case did, was that it established the significance of the authority the Park Service has within it's own boundaries. This in itself makes it much more difficult for outsider's like the Sierra Club to politically influence Park Service Policy. I'm pretty sure this case strongly influenced the Park Service's decisions regarding Yellow Stone as well.
 
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