Ban the Can

[ridindirty800]

I have mixed emotions on the topic not because I agree the noise is stupid but because it's not gonna do a damn thing. It's similar to the problems I face when I am grooming. It's a fresh groomed trail and idiots hammer it tearing it up and messing it up for the rest. I understand the differences but it comes down to just how dumb some people are. A measure to not allow people in an establishment just punishes the guys with cans but will do nothing to actually combat the problem,,,, just my opinion

X2 and unless you have an employee standing outside listening to sled roll in how would you know who has cans or not? I see where BBB is trying to help the sport but it will not solve anything. And there will be some bar who will gladly take their money in the winter!

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the highlighted part is bogus and will never hold up. Next season I am putting a can on my sled and it will be no louder than stock but eliminate 6 lbs and open up some serious room under hood with less heat under hood

Yup I have a can on my 4 stroke and its the same decibel as my stock but just a much deeper tone. I know this as i did a check with stock and my home made can. Just because its not stock does not mean you are in the wrong.

 

[gruff]

Hats off to you Bergland Bay Bar. Hope more will follow suit, until these people have to go out themselves, begging and pleading with land owners not to close the trails, to give us one more chance and convince them its only a few idiots that spoil it for the rest of us, They won't and never get it.

 

[slimcake]

Ban Mohawks as well. Guarantee the mohawk wearing punks with backpacks and shovels have loud cans and go "brap brap braaaaaapppp" all through town. Punks spinning at every stop sign. They just don't understand that they will be the end of this sport....

 

[apex_shug]

ban mohawks ....LOL stereotyping are we? maybe ban all the people who drink beer, THEY HAVE CANS
Yes, I have can, but I am not one that hot dogs it through town or is out past 9 pm either. (FYI)

what do you think the percentage of sleds that have cans? 35% of the two bangers? maybe 10% of the 4's?

 

[longtrack]

Like I said in another post. Not Factory they get a Ticket. If what Lenny said is true, they will never look under the Hood.

Raise the Fine to $1000 and earmark the Money for Trail easements.

 

[highhertel]

Get the gas stations to ban loud pipes. Loud Pipes- No Gas

Also cann't figure out why Harley Owners get away with their exhaust systems as 90% have been modified.

Harley owners claim it is necessary to have the loud pipes to help prevent the moronic 'cagers' from killing them on the highway. Maybe Ricky Racers says it will scare the deer off the trail and save lives? Who knows. Either way, respect others' freedom to have a little peace and quiet, especially when on private property via trails.

HH

 

[ridindirty800]

Like I said in another post. Not Factory they get a Ticket. If what Lenny said is true, they will never look under the Hood.

Raise the Fine to $1000 and earmark the Money for Trail easements.

So if my exhaust is no louder than stock why should I get a ticket? Also I know MBRP has makes a can for a 1200 ski doo that is 88 decibels at 4000 RPM which is the same as stock? I just don't think is fair to say if you have aftermarket you get a ticket. Stay under the CURRANT AND ENFORCED LAW DECIBEL LEVEL and no problems.

 

[G]

the highlighted part is bogus and will never hold up. Next season I am putting a can on my sled and it will be no louder than stock but eliminate 6 lbs and open up some serious room under hood with less heat under hood

Bogus you say. It is not those of us on this site you have to convince. Try taking it up with The Ontario Provincial Police. If you think the DNR can be harsh the OPP makes them look like choirboys.

 

[uncle_ed]

I admire the concern from the op as trail closings will negatively impact businesses in the area and hurt us all for that matter. It should not be a torch that you should have to carry alone since there has been a law on the books for how many years now and little or no enforcement actions taken.

I was sitting in the teepee east of shelby this saturday and in walked an oceana county sheriff and a dnr officer who were out patrolling the area. I struck up a conversation with them and asked if they were writing any noise violation tickets. They both stated no and they werent doing anything in that regard and went on to explain the procedure to me and explain how difficult it was to deal with the whole process. They knew nothing about any current situation in the u.p. and were more or less not concerned about the issue at all.

We need to see this law that is already on the books enforced and not left up to business owners to be the bad guys. I see 2 big issues that hurt us snowmobilers, tresspass and noise complaints and it seems the noise problem as being the easier of the 2 to fix.

We as snowmobilers should be more concerned about the sport as a whole and how our actions impact others and not so much about how cool our sled sounds and screw anybody who thinks otherwise. I also have a hard time believing that any aftermarket or modified can is quieter than 78 decibels at 50 feet since many older machines were right there stock. Think about the future of this sport and not just live for today!

 

[lenny]

Bogus you say. It is not those of us on this site you have to convince. Try taking it up with The Ontario Provincial Police. If you think the DNR can be harsh the OPP makes them look like choirboys.

I understand your point Grub and well said. Just wonder if the "police" made the law or just interpret it to their liking. Hard to believe there is a law that says you cannot change components on snow machines even if they fall under factory decibels.

I also want to commened BBB Tom for his strong conviction. A man who acts on his principle gets the utmost respect from me regardless if I agree on all aspects of his conviction,,,,THUMBS UP BROTHER!

 

[olsmann]

I applaude the effort here but I hope this doesn't backfire on your business. I have a can and have buddies that do also that are trail cans and no more decibels then stock. I guess my group of 6 -8 better find a different bar. I'm just reading that's as "avoid the Bergland bay bar".

 

[lenny]

I admire the concern from the op as trail closings will negatively impact businesses in the area and hurt us all for that matter. It should not be a torch that you should have to carry alone since there has been a law on the books for how many years now and little or no enforcement actions taken.

I was sitting in the teepee east of shelby this saturday and in walked an oceana county sheriff and a dnr officer who were out patrolling the area. I struck up a conversation with them and asked if they were writing any noise violation tickets. They both stated no and they werent doing anything in that regard and went on to explain the procedure to me and explain how difficult it was to deal with the whole process. They knew nothing about any current situation in the u.p. and were more or less not concerned about the issue at all.

We need to see this law that is already on the books enforced and not left up to business owners to be the bad guys. I see 2 big issues that hurt us snowmobilers, tresspass and noise complaints and it seems the noise problem as being the easier of the 2 to fix.

We as snowmobilers should be more concerned about the sport as a whole and how our actions impact others and not so much about how cool our sled sounds and screw anybody who thinks otherwise. I also have a hard time believing that any aftermarket or modified can is quieter than 78 decibels at 50 feet since many older machines were right there stock. Think about the future of this sport and not just live for today!

Great points. I don't see a problem if a guy buys a can that complies with current noise acceptability. I mean the noise is the issue right? If guys who runs a can that is compliant, why should he be punished for not offending or breaking the law. Problem is this sort of issue can easily lump everybody with a "can" in the same category which is "bogus".

 

[russholio]

For what it's worth......I've contacted a member of MSA's executive committee and told him it's the feeling of some (also expressed on other boards besides this one) that LEO's aren't doing enough about excessive noise. He said he's heard similar remarks and has spoken about it with the CO who acts as the liaison between MSA and DNR, who will be checking into it.

 

[kernsy]

For what it's worth......I've contacted a member of MSA's executive committee and told him it's the feeling of some (also expressed on other boards besides this one) that LEO's aren't doing enough about excessive noise. He said he's heard similar remarks and has spoken about it with the CO who acts as the liaison between MSA and DNR, who will be checking into it.

Here is the slippery slope that concerns me. More enforcement will cost more dollars, fines will not cover the "cost" of added officer time and energy. I can only speculate that local and state officers will want more dollar$ for their efforts. Will they expect MSA to contribute more trail permit dollars to enforcement budgets? Once again, unintended consequences of directed enforcement at a minority of the sledding population will cost us all and it still does not "solve" the problem of those that believe their personal freedom to do "whatever the heck they please" and "screw the rest of you mentality".

I would suggest and support as a member of the MSA a zero tolerance policy on modified exhaust that does not meet decibel guidelines as spelled out at the date of manufacturer for a given sled. First and foremost, the sled is impounded until it is compliant(yes ruin a snowmobilers weekend or vacation) with dB guidelines and second a fine in excess of three times the cost of the MSRP(hit them hard in the wallet) of the modified exhaust. This would have the possibility of making the risk/reward to great and possibly get the exhaust manufacturers to engineer a lightweight can that still meets dB guidelines if they want to hock their wares.

The problem that remains is the easements on private property and respecting the rights of owners to pull the plug on the easement if they so choose. Whether it is a sled that is too loud or trespassing by going off trail. That is the personal freedom the property owners has earned that the knuckleheads abusing the privilege to ride on their land just will not accept or adhere to. I cannot believe how many people see it as their God given right to do as they please, how they please, and where they please all under the guise of "personal freedom". There are laws on the books here, either change them, adhere to them, or be prepared to pay the consequences.

Peace out.

 

[russholio]

Trail permit money doesn't go to enforcement budgets. That money comes from registrations. But yes, you raise some valid points and concerns.

 

[srt20]

Absolute sobriety for all motorized vehicles as well. Only way to drink at the bar is to walk or get a ride. That should be a law as well.
Maybe BBB can put that sign up right next to ban the can sign.

 

[Pizza Man]

This should have been a main topic at the beginning of the season, not the end of it.
I did put triple pipes on my Polaris years ago. Got so many looks back then that I took them off and put the stock pipes back on.
I think the sound they make gives the feeling that they are doing 150mph

I have had motorcycles all my life and as I got older, most of them were Goldwings.
Being loud is BS.
I did have a few sport bikes and one did have a modified exhaust. I decided after a few years, to put the stock setup back on.
We do alot of touring and the worst part of that is when we come up on a bunch of HD's.
They can do as they want, but I always wonder how they get away with it.
First thing we do is pass them and get back into a quite ride!

Highhertle wrote-
Harley owners claim it is necessary to have the loud pipes to help prevent the moronic 'cagers' from killing them on the highway. Maybe Ricky Racers says it will scare the deer off the trail and save lives? Who knows. Either way, respect others' freedom to have a little peace and quiet, especially when on private property via trails.

 

[berglandbaybar]

I applaude the effort here but I hope this doesn't backfire on your business. I have a can and have buddies that do also that are trail cans and no more decibels then stock. I guess my group of 6 -8 better find a different bar. I'm just reading that's as "avoid the Bergland bay bar".

Avoid the Bergland Bay Bar if you wish, I would rather lose a few customers than all of them because there are no more trails.

 

[EXCESSIVE FORCE]

Atta boy Tom !!


From a scumbag diesel truck owner....................

 

[russholio]

Avoid the Bergland Bay Bar if you wish, I would rather lose a few customers than all of them because there are no more trails.

Two thumbs up!