Ban the Can

[Hoosier]

I have first hand experience that loud pipes save lives. I can't count how many times a car would have cut me off (and on more than one occassion, put me on the pavement) if it weren't for the loud pipes on my Harley.....and yes, I have a can (aka muffler) on my sled too....it is not a "race" can but a "trail" can. Much lighter and takes less space than stock. And I have heard some stock mufflers that are louder than my trail can. I am all about respect for others, but I hate the government telling me what I can or cannot do to my sled, Harley, truck, boat, etc. I will maintain safety and respect for others, but Don't Tread on Me!

Don't tread on me? This is about respecting private property rights - those who allow snowmobiles to travel on their property.

 

[snobuilder]

This landowner didn't have to give a reason for pulling his land use at all.
Trail use issues get addressed 100's a times a years for many different reasons.
I think alot of local folks in the UP and Northern WI get tired a seeing ppl on sleds day after day interfering with their everyday lives.
tracks, cans, carbides scraping, general sled noise gets old after awhile especially if you are NOT a sledder.

That may not accur to many of you but as the season wears on it gets more evident ....even if every sledder is a choir boy and perfect in every way.

 

[groomerdriver]

Maybe it's been already said here but the

Harley pipes (on PUBLIC roads) vs. loud sled pipes (on PRIVATE land)

argument is old, tired and just plain NOT RELEVANT to one another!!!!!

 

[lenny]

how can this argument go on. If your sled is over the legal decibel than you risk getting fined and are annoying to most of us. If someone takes a stand against people who are causing problems how can a guy find fault with him? It's that simple people. Lets skip all the side issue where some people have problems if it isn't stock. There's no law against a after market can.

If your loud, your loud and illegal so plan to deal with the consequences.

 

[garyl62]

Lenny you are 100% correct my friend. I knew this subject would stir the pot, but people coming up here for a couple of days would not put up with the crap they do here back home in their back yards. Look at my facebook page from yesterday and see what some kid wrote. "you know you live in a snowmobile town if you can't stand the noise move out into the country". We need to take the bull by the horns before we lose more trails. This is where the ATV club was going to try and get an easement. Do you think that is going to be possible now? I know there are cans that are not as loud and riders that use them responsibly. Hey no harm, no foul, but those that have no respect for residents up here need to stay home. Or else we will not have a trail left to ride on.

how can this argument go on. If your sled is over the legal decibel than you risk getting fined and are annoying to most of us. If someone takes a stand against people who are causing problems how can a guy find fault with him? It's that simple people. Lets skip all the side issue where some people have problems if it isn't stock. There's no law against a after market can.

If your loud, your loud and illegal so plan to deal with the consequences.

I've been quiet on this because at first there were so many guys saying any can is wrong, and I thought Tom was saying any if you have any can stay away I just couldn't support that. I have a can on my sled. It was there when I bought it used. I doubt I'd invest $ into putting one on, at the same time I don't see a need to spend $ to replace it. First season I owned the sled I looked up the test procedure, got a sound meter and checked the level. It runs 84-85 dbs so I'm legal. Now that Tom has clarified his stance I agree 100%. I also agree with Lenny. If your can is louder that the law allows you're at fault, no way to deny that and anyone has the right to point that out without being criticized in return. If a land owner is fed up with people breaking the law he has every right to no longer let them use his land.

 

[snobuilder]

Land owner don't NEED a reason...AT ALL.

 

[garyl62]

This landowner didn't have to give a reason for pulling his land use at all.
Trail use issues get addressed 100's a times a years for many different reasons.
I think alot of local folks in the UP and Northern WI get tired a seeing ppl on sleds day after day interfering with their everyday lives.
tracks, cans, carbides scraping, general sled noise gets old after awhile especially if you are NOT a sledder.

That may not accur to many of you but as the season wears on it gets more evident ....even if every sledder is a choir boy and perfect in every way.

Land owner don't NEED a reason...AT ALL.

I don't get you. You made these two posts about 3 hours apart and there was not one post made between these two that said anything about a land owner needing a reason. If you think I implied that because I said "If a landowner..." then you're jumping to conclusions. I actually support him for doing this. Maybe you should quit yelling about things and actually take time to read and understand people so you'll get a little more respect around here.

 

[elm103]

I live 100 feet off the trail in Bergland,in my humble opinion you're blowing this way out of proportion.I was outside all day last Saturday, hundreds of sleds went by.There were two loud sleds out of the whole bunch.Not sure that we should shut down Bergland without asking Antonio,s or the new eating place in town. While we're at it should check with the Motor Mart.This is just my OPINION.

 

[united]

If I can tell you have a can, that is an indication its too loud, for me anyway. But the law is the law and you can have one if you want as long as it's under 88 db. Just like the guy can close the trail if he wants, up to him.

From SLP website. 13 pounds lighter, 9 more hp, significant heat reduction. Now that is an entire pipe set/system, but that is a substantial increase in performance, if true.
"Swing the Axys into your favor with this new single pipe set. It provides an additional 9 horsepower while trimming 13 pounds of weight. This pipe set has been SLP tested and passed the SAE J-2567 stationary sound test below 88 decibels. Finished with ceramic coating which not only looks great, but also reduces radiant heat emissions by as much as 40%, resulting in cooler underhood temperatures."

I am not sure if all the db tests are apples to apples. If they are, maybe 88 db is too loud? I would think 88 db would be ok, but it sure seems like there are a lot more loud sleds these days.

 

[snobuilder]

I saw a banner ad on one of the websites for a GGB silencer called "AGRESSOR" or "AGRESSIVE".....you might be a LOUDCAN if that's your label....LOL

This forum topic exposure probly helps a litte in making ppl think about how loud their sled is or will be if they buy the wrong unit.

I would like to see some peer pressure type of self policing among them who ride with loudcans in their group.
Might only take one person in the group to say something to the rest that this chit ain't "cool" anymore.

 

[snobuilder]

dd

I don't get you. You made these two posts about 3 hours apart and there was not one post made between these two that said anything about a land owner needing a reason. If you think I implied that because I said "If a landowner..." then you're jumping to conclusions. I actually support him for doing this. Maybe you should quit yelling about things and actually take time to read and understand people so you'll get a little more respect around here.

My use of caps is NOT yelling, just emphasis or inflection.

I have made many comments on this topic. You choose to sort out and then scold me for repeating a certain point in 2 of them.
From your lack of commentary on others post,
I can only conclude that you must agree with the rest of the insane garbage that has been posted, by some, about how to deal with the issue of land use and loud sleds....either that or you just have an axe to grind with me and my comments only.
I realize I can come across as crude but when I see the mob mentality that takes over a thread like this one I simply can't help but be the "other side"
and please don't try to twist "other side" into meaning I am for non compliant LOUDCANS....I am NOT.

This whole topic would have no legs at all except it was set up as to say aftermarket silencers are the root of all evil and will end our sport and conveys the feeling that all land use issues revolve around sled noise caused ONLY by after market silencers.

It certainly DOES NOT.

I'd also add that IF the landowner had NOT stated a reason for pulling his landuse, IMO...this thread would have never been started.

 

[scoot]

LOL, am I the only person who thinks this is a kid posting from his mom's basement?

 

[groomerdriver]

I live 100 feet off the trail in Bergland,in my humble opinion you're blowing this way out of proportion.I was outside all day last Saturday, hundreds of sleds went by.There were two loud sleds out of the whole bunch.Not sure that we should shut down Bergland without asking Antonio,s or the new eating place in town. While we're at it should check with the Motor Mart.This is just my OPINION.

Blowing this out of proportion? A major section of trail is being closed off and we're blowing this out of proportion?

Hopefully......I was just baited into grabbing this posters hook.

 

[momoney2123]

If I can tell you have a can, that is an indication its too loud, for me anyway. But the law is the law and you can have one if you want as long as it's under 88 db. Just like the guy can close the trail if he wants, up to him.

From SLP website. 13 pounds lighter, 9 more hp, significant heat reduction. Now that is an entire pipe set/system, but that is a substantial increase in performance, if true.
"Swing the Axys into your favor with this new single pipe set. It provides an additional 9 horsepower while trimming 13 pounds of weight. This pipe set has been SLP tested and passed the SAE J-2567 stationary sound test below 88 decibels. Finished with ceramic coating which not only looks great, but also reduces radiant heat emissions by as much as 40%, resulting in cooler underhood temperatures."

I am not sure if all the db tests are apples to apples. If they are, maybe 88 db is too loud? I would think 88 db would be ok, but it sure seems like there are a lot more loud sleds these days.

Correct me if I am wrong, but im pretty sure the stationary sound test is holding a decibal meter while the sled is idling or at a low RPM, from a few feet away. Most cans I am familiar with are pretty quiet until you are running at higher RPM's. And would likely pass the test, but are still an issue, especially if you like to blip the throttle when you see a house, sled, or anyone watching you drive by.

 

[berglandbaybar]

Blowing this out of proportion? A major section of trail is being closed off and we're blowing this out of proportion?

Hopefully......I was just baited into grabbing this posters hook.

I'm not sure what trail he is on groomerdriver, I seen (heard) more than 2 going from Antonios to the Mobil on my way into work Saturday.

 

[chicagosledder]

I don't have a can on my sled, but I do think as a business owner I would tread lightly on this. You could lose business over an exhaust system. I understand they can be annoying but I think drunks on sleds are ten times more annoying and are definitely more dangerous. I ride with my 12 year old son and my main fear is drunks, not guys with cans. If all of you guys wish the DNR would enforce those cans, remember one thing they may start enforcing everything including drinking and riding. And no I don't drink and ride at the same time. Either way I hope this can be resolved without anyone or any business being effected.

 

[united]

That is what I was wondering. I don't think the test measures when you "hit it" but I'm not sure. I wonder if a lot of guys think they are under 88 db but are really over?


QUOTE=momoney2123;399162]Correct me if I am wrong, but im pretty sure the stationary sound test is holding a decibal meter while the sled is idling or at a low RPM, from a few feet away. Most cans I am familiar with are pretty quiet until you are running at higher RPM's. And would likely pass the test, but are still an issue, especially if you like to blip the throttle when you see a house, sled, or anyone watching you drive by.[/QUOTE]

 

[lenny]

I don't have a can on my sled, but I do think as a business owner I would tread lightly on this. You could lose business over an exhaust system. I understand they can be annoying but I think drunks on sleds are ten times more annoying and are definitely more dangerous. I ride with my 12 year old son and my main fear is drunks, not guys with cans. If all of you guys wish the DNR would enforce those cans, remember one thing they may start enforcing everything including drinking and riding. And no I don't drink and ride at the same time. Either way I hope this can be resolved without anyone or any business being effected.

problem is trail has been closed because of excessive noise and it is an issue for many people. One would think guys with loud sleds would be considerate but they are not. I see it happen all the time in Greenland. Guys on sleds with loud can just hammer it right through town,,,they just don't care and for many older people it bothers them greatly. There is a law against it so why not enforce it greater than it already is. I understand BBB position and give him major props to standing up for his conviction even in the face of his adversaries. I'm buying Tom a beer next time I'm in. I've been told on this site before that my positions will effect my lodging business so what am I to do, roll over and die,,,not gonna happen.

Chicagosledder, thank's again for your service,,you rock brother!

 

[buddah2]

........ I understand BBB position and give him major props to standing up for his conviction even in the face of his adversaries.

While his slogan has a nice marketing oriented spin to it to me, at least, it sounds like he's against any aftermarket exhaust at all. That position I take issue with. As you point out there is already noise laws that cover this subject, we don't need any more yahoos determining we are violating simply on appearances. Enforce the laws that already exist, don't be making any new ones..........

(And yes, I do have an aftermarket exhaust but it has also been tested and is below the legal threshold)

 

[berglandbaybar]

Ok last post on this thread, I promise LOL. I said "Ban the Can" because I seen it on here and it is a catchy slogan. If your can is within noise limits you are not going to get bothered by anyone. The way you drive your sled has a big impact on the noise also. I have no problem with that at all.

What I hear all the time is Brapping the throttle on purpose either coming through town or while at the gas station. Just idiots showing off. One guy was climbing snowbanks in the parking lot Friday night around midnight loud as can be. If you think I am not going to complain about people acting like this then all I can say is stay out of my business. If it hurts me so be it, I don't think it will and frankly I don't care. If you are going to disrespect our town and the people that live here I do not want or need your business. For every Idiot I keep out of my place 2 more nice people will show up. I spend a lot of time trying to report actual conditions to you guys and I do make enemies out of fellow business owners because I tell the truth on my web site. I tell it like it is and if you don't like me than don't stop by. I have made way more friends than I have enemies by simply telling the truth. If it hurts my business so be it, but I don't think it will, if it does than so be it. I would rather be surrounded by a few good customers than a room full of A-holes. Side step the issue all you want, the truth is loud sleds and going off trail where you shouldn't be is going to cause more trails to close, then where are you going to ride?