California's new law

euphoric1

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sorry I am not computer savvy to carry article over to this post but if anyone is interested in a very interesting read, "California law bans small off road engines, including lawnmowers and chainsaws" the law basically states unless it has "ZERO" emissions it wont fly. Expected to affect over 50,000 businesses. Here we go!! BTW wasn't California supposed to fall into the ocean any time soon? uuuuggghhh!!
 

euphoric1

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scary thing is that all the crazy emission requirements and laws seem to stem from what the CARB ( California Air Resource Board ) puts in place. Hopefully I'm not of this earth when they hit here. "ZERO" emissions equates to no piston powered products!
 

gary_in_neenah

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Could Cow Farts be next?

Washington Examiner
California law bans small off-road gas engines, including lawnmowers and chainsaws



California took another step toward its goal of ridding the state of all gas-powered engines thanks to a new bill signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom on Saturday.

The new law will ban the sale of all off-road, gas-powered engines, including generators, lawn equipment, pressure washers, chainsaws, weed trimmers, and even golf carts. Under the new law, these machines must be zero-emissions, meaning they will have to be either battery-powered or plug-in, according to the Los Angeles Times.

"This is a pretty modest approach to trying to limit the massive amounts of pollution that this equipment emits, not to mention the health impact on the workers who are using it constantly," Marc Berman, the bill's author, told the outlet. "It’s amazing how people react when they learn how much this equipment pollutes, and how much smog forming and climate changing emissions that small off-road engine equipment creates."

The new law is expected to affect nearly 50,000 small businesses. California's budget includes $30 million to help professional landscapers and gardeners quit using gas-powered equipment, but even then, the budget is still not capable of bearing the full financial burden.

The National Association of Landscape Professionals also noted how zero-emission commercial equipment is both more expensive and less efficient than gas-powered equipment. A gas-powered riding lawn mower costs between $7,000-$11,000 while the zero-emissions version costs more than twice that amount, according to the outlet.

The new rule will be implemented by January 2024, or as soon as regulators determine is "feasible," whichever date is later. The California Air Resources Board has already started working on executing the law, which is a lengthy process scheduled to conclude early next year, per the outlet.

The governor signed an executive order in September 2020 mandating that all of California’s new car sales be zero-emissions models by 2035. The order also requires new bus and truck sales, whenever feasible, to be zero-emissions vehicles by 2045.
 

matti

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I suspect many other states will try to follow suit (or have already been pushing for similar laws). Remember, this is an "investment" in our future!
 

whitedust

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I suspect many other states will try to follow suit (or have already been pushing for similar laws). Remember, this is an "investment" in our future!
Highly doubt it since lawn equipment and chainsaws are minimum air polluters. We haven’t even scratched the surface of dead lithium battery disposal hazards. All this green awareness runs in cycles with greenies are in power. Lots of jobs will be lost in small engine mfg, local repair shops and the public will have to pay much more for electric tractors with little impact in air pollution reduction. Electric tractors and lawn equipment should be market driven not mandated by the government.
 

heckler56

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And their electric grid is ready for all this? Didn’t they just file a massive lawsuit against their utilities for starting fires? Don’t those paying for electricity ultimately pay for the fines and necessary upgrades? Just saying.
 
G

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Any of you ever use an battery chainsaw? For medium to light duty they are superior to a gas job in just about every way.
 

whitedust

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Any of you ever use an battery chainsaw? For medium to light duty they are superior to a gas job in just about every way.

Yeah if you have a way to charge it off grid. That gallon of premix gas allows me to work all day in the the woods.
 

rp7x

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I go through bar oil by the case , don’t let them know that or we won’t be able to use that any more
 
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G

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I go through bar oil by the case , don’t let them know that or we won’t be able to use that any more

Neither of those examples are medium or light duty. For lumberjacks gas will remain the way to go. All I know is my 18 inch Stihl hasn't been used since I bought my bat saw. By the time the bat runs out I have cut more than enough work for myself. No starting hassles. Lighter. Simple on or off. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. I was sceptical too but about 15 minutes was enough to sell me. No gas to go bad either.
 

xsledder

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I think a few are missing the bigger picture here. This will also apply to sleds. I am sure a lot of people on this site don't ride in Cali, but what happens when this reaches Michigan with the gov there? Be careful what you wish for.
 
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When electric cars and pickups and semi tractors are better and cheaper to buy and operate than gas vehicles then the general public will transition. They are already better in some ways. A Tesla Plaid will blow a new Lamborghini away. They are getting cheaper all the time and will continue to do so as more players enter the market and battery tech improves. There are already battery sleds. Yup- they are slow and heavy and don't go very far. But that will all improve. In a few years we will not be snochecking 650s and 850s. We will be snowchecking battery options. No more blowing up two strokes. A great reduction in all moving parts. They will be better than what we have now. Try thinking positive rather than bucking this entire process. The entire world is switching to electric. I for one can hardly wait. And I am not a greenie or a liberal.
 

turbo420

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how are we recharging them with solar panels or wind lol :jaded:. coal,oil,natural gas,nuclear is how you are recharging your tesla now lol
 

whitedust

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When electric cars and pickups and semi tractors are better and cheaper to buy and operate than gas vehicles then the general public will transition. They are already better in some ways. A Tesla Plaid will blow a new Lamborghini away. They are getting cheaper all the time and will continue to do so as more players enter the market and battery tech improves. There are already battery sleds. Yup- they are slow and heavy and don't go very far. But that will all improve. In a few years we will not be snochecking 650s and 850s. We will be snowchecking battery options. No more blowing up two strokes. A great reduction in all moving parts. They will be better than what we have now. Try thinking positive rather than bucking this entire process. The entire world is switching to electric. I for one can hardly wait. And I am not a greenie or a liberal.
I’m a better mousetrap kind of guy that’s why I have owned all brands of 2s and 4s snowmobiles. I also believe products should be market driven not mandated by state or federal governments. If a superior product is developed I will buy it as long as ROI makes sense to competitive products. Transition to electric vehicles makes sense to me over a period of time that allows the infrastructure and products to mature. The rising price of gasoline currently is the fault of the US government shutting down the Keystone pipeline for 1 was very stupid and then beg OPEC to produce more oil. Same amount of gasoline is being burned with same amount of pollution. Again be sensible regarding energy transitions.
 

old abe

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When electric cars and pickups and semi tractors are better and cheaper to buy and operate than gas vehicles then the general public will transition. They are already better in some ways. A Tesla Plaid will blow a new Lamborghini away. They are getting cheaper all the time and will continue to do so as more players enter the market and battery tech improves. There are already battery sleds. Yup- they are slow and heavy and don't go very far. But that will all improve. In a few years we will not be snochecking 650s and 850s. We will be snowchecking battery options. No more blowing up two strokes. A great reduction in all moving parts. They will be better than what we have now. Try thinking positive rather than bucking this entire process. The entire world is switching to electric. I for one can hardly wait. And I am not a greenie or a liberal.

Good post grub! Spot on!
 

old abe

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I’m a better mousetrap kind of guy that’s why I have owned all brands of 2s and 4s snowmobiles. I also believe products should be market driven not mandated by state or federal governments. If a superior product is developed I will buy it as long as ROI makes sense to competitive products. Transition to electric vehicles makes sense to me over a period of time that allows the infrastructure and products to mature. The rising price of gasoline currently is the fault of the US government shutting down the Keystone pipeline for 1 was very stupid and then beg OPEC to produce more oil. Same amount of gasoline is being burned with same amount of pollution. Again be sensible regarding energy transitions.

Not to argue, however the Keystone Pipeline would not have provided any domestic fuel, it would have been all for Export. This being due to the fact of all procedures to "Refining" the "Tar Sand" GOOK. It could only be refined on a few Gulf coast refineries due to the waste produced in the refining process. The "reversing" the Gulf Coast pipeline feeding refined products to the Cushing Ok dist. hub, thus it would have increased our Mid Continent fuel prices. Check it out, why does not Canada refine it?
 
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