CAP/STEP Revenue Shortfall?

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Cirrus_Driver

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dothedoo said:
The change in registration would have no impact on revenues the next 2 years. If your sled came up for renewal this year, or will next year, you're still paying $30. 2017 renewals will be the first year there will be lower revenue from the 3 year registration period.

I paid $90 this year for 1 renewal and 2 passes. Last year I spent $30 for 1 sled renewal.

There's no possibility there is less revenue available.
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I understand your logic and math, but the one thing you don't take into account is the actual number of sleds registered, compared to prior years. If sales are down, or people decided to get out of the sport, there would/could be less registration revenue. Those numbers won't be known until after the season, but a general predictor would be revenue taken in vs. prior years.
 
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whitedust

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caged_beagle said:
With that attitude about 6,986 posts. Why the huge chip on your shoulder? FYI I am the VP of our WI club and cannot wait to see the proven success or failure this program produces. But as ezra stated we need to have a long term thought process to be able to evaluate it proficiently.

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X2 simple question of who are you and you just joined so welcome aboard. As far as Cap Step I really have no opinion about the numbers at this time no idea in black & white. Good idea to get peeps to join I have no problem with that prolly join Frosty next year better fit for me. Ben let them rip it excellent conditions lando north in UP had nice ride yesterday to Sidnaw. And Ben...Hey no problems bustin my balls that's how you and i have fun/ LOL :)
 
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1flatlander2

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whitedust said:
X2 simple question of who are you and you just joined so welcome aboard. As far as Cap Step I really have no opinion about the numbers at this time no idea in black & white. Good idea to get peeps to join I have no problem with that prolly join Frosty next year better fit for me. Ben let them rip it excellent conditions lando north in UP had nice ride yesterday to Sidnaw. And Ben...Hey no problems bustin my balls that's how you and i have fun/ LOL :)
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the dude just dosn't post much he's been a member for a long time.
 
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ddhanna

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1flatlander2 said:
the dude just dosn't post much he's been a member for a long time.
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Yeah and probably won't post any more. Instantly you have an "attitude" and "chip on your shoulder". Not worth the aggravation. Guess I should have read the posting rules a little closer. Missed the ones regarding minimum number of posts required and the need to identify who you are. Somehow I'll get over it...
 
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eagle1

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Jeez you people are touchy.
If you read first sentence of the first post a name was qouted. So people who read it have no idea who/what/where your quote is coming from. Unlike whitedust who posts everywhere and is more recognizable.
Simple misunderstanding, just wondering where infonis coming from, no need to quit posting.
 
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timo

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ddhanna said:
Yeah and probably won't post any more. Instantly you have an "attitude" and "chip on your shoulder". Not worth the aggravation. Guess I should have read the posting rules a little closer. Missed the ones regarding minimum number of posts required and the need to identify who you are. Somehow I'll get over it...
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buh bye no one will miss ya..
 
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MZEMS2

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ddhanna said:
Me. Please don't shoot the treasurer. Who is Whitedust from Phelps?
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So "ddhanna" gets bashed because they don't recognize a member's username??? Geez guys, kinda harsh isnt it? I took it as ddhanna was here to just toss some info on the board, and it turned into a beatdown because of being new to the board. That's not a good way to build moral or membership. Time to lighten up and step back and think about how we respond to posts. In many cases, you can't "see" or "feel" the emotion that the poster is trying to convey. Everyone's sense of humor is different and needs to be considered. Read what's typed and don't put words or personal feelings into someone else's post.
Just a thought, but this one went sour for no good reason at all..
 
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whitedust

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Yikes!!.... I have been out riding and wow can things get turned around here. GD posted that ddhanna posted issues with Cap Step so I should have asked how ddhanna is connected to Capt Step but simply asked who this is? Then Ben busted my balls about number of posts over 10 years he was kidding I get it ...he gets it. Let's get back on track no one cares how many posts anyone has or has not posted things just were misunderstood. I am interested in Cap Step & do know about the setting sun if does not click as expected. Is Cap Step working??? I really don't know so let's discuss it. I hope this clears things up.:)
 
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groomerdriver

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I sent an email to Dave Newman - President of the Association of Wisconsin Snowmobile Clubs (AWSC) as well as three other members of the AWSC Executive Board. In my email to him, I quoted to him EXACTLY what "ddhanna" posted on this board and is shown in my first post that started this thread. I simply asked him "is this true?" Mr. Newman replied very quickly to my email.

Here is Mr. Newman's reply (posted with his express permission):

We will not know the amount of revenue from this year's registrations and trail passes until August after the end of the DNR's year. The three year registration will not have an affect the amount of revenue for 3 years. All snowmobiles that expire in 2015 and 2016 and new registrations will all be paying $30 just like they always have. Plus we will have the additional revenue from the trail passes, whatever that will come to.
I am not going to guess at what the final numbers will be until the season is over, but it will not be less than without the trail pass.


 
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dothedoo

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groomerdriver said:
I sent an email to Dave Newman - President of the Association of Wisconsin Snowmobile Clubs (AWSC) as well as three other members of the AWSC Executive Board. In my email to him, I quoted to him EXACTLY what "ddhanna" posted on this board and is shown in my first post that started this thread. I simply asked him "is this true?" Mr. Newman replied very quickly to my email.

Here is Mr. Newman's reply (posted with his express permission):

We will not know the amount of revenue from this year's registrations and trail passes until August after the end of the DNR's year. The three year registration will not have an affect the amount of revenue for 3 years. All snowmobiles that expire in 2015 and 2016 and new registrations will all be paying $30 just like they always have. Plus we will have the additional revenue from the trail passes, whatever that will come to.
I am not going to guess at what the final numbers will be until the season is over, but it will not be less than without the trail pass.
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Sounds vaguely familiar.....I'm sure I heard that same thing somewhere else.

lol
 
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caged_beagle

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caged_beagle said:
Nope not at all! Not even a little bit! Welcome to the board. It's just that obviously we are all familiar with whitedust and not with you. So feel free to use this as an opportunity to introduce yourself to the board an any insight you may have with the cap/step situation.

Again, welcome to the JD board.

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▲▲▲▲▲I guess everyone missed this post where I welcomed her/him to the board? And also welcomed their experiences and thoughts on cap/step.▲▲▲▲▲

This board used to have some light hearted banter and fun interaction. All it has turned into is an argument for someones agenda. That is a shame........

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snobuilder

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If you look back at the early discussion on this bill, it was primarily touted as a way to raise much needed revenue to directly help our trail system.
If we are not seeing that happen regardless of a low snow year then why go through all of this extra work only to possibly stay even.
THE AWSC and clubs are working overtime with cap,step , and for what, when a simple hike in reg. fees would have raise at least as much and probably more much needed cash.
Face it. The folks joining the clubs are doing simply for the discounted pass which to me (the trail pass) is just another unecessary hoop to jump through to take a sled for a ride.
 
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old abe

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I have to agree snowbuilder. KISS!!!!!! More hoops to jump thru relate to more time, = money wasted.
 
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groomerdriver

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old abe said:
KISS!!!!!! More hoops to jump thru relate to more time, = money wasted.
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Maybe after the three year sunset period it'll be changed....or eliminated. We won't know until then. Personally I would have been happy to pay an increased registration fee. Club member (which I am a member of 3 Wisc. clubs) or not...we all pay the same.

It would seem that ddhannah's unnamed sources are not correct. But everything posted on the internet is true right! ;)
 
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snobuilder

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I agree that it is too early to tell. What is not unclear is that a lot of thought was put into cap/step by the bean counters. They must have had some sort of criteria to go off of even though the great unknown was how many folks would take advantage of the discounted trail pass which shifts money from the segregated fund into the hands of the clubs and the AWSC organization's office.
As a local club, we will put our portion of the dues back into the trails. Not sure what the AWSC plans are.

It will be interesting to see how much the AWSC membership has increased.
 
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durphee

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I joined a club with the interest of sending more money directly into the hands of the club. I do live 350 miles from the club I joined ( i joined the club where i ride the most) so the chance I get to help out is limited. When i was signing up I also donated some additional cash directly to the club. I was hoping this system would bring in more direct money to the clubs and such. It definitely has more hoops but takes only several minutes to accomplish.
 
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