CCW and why.

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Trick / Track

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Do you carry when you ride and why?
What made you get your CCW?
What do you do when you want to enter a bar for food?
Also what type of gun do you like to carry?
Ladies I would like to hear from you also, my wife wants to know whats the best gun for her.
Were looking to buy a couple of guns, any for sale.

Pat
 
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maxwell

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Do you carry when you ride and why?

No, I do not carry when I ride my local trails. If I'm in a backwood adventure, I carry, but that is for other protection and not from people.

What made you get your CCW?
Right to bear arms, and I wanted to express my opinion

What do you do when you want to enter a bar for food?
Walk on in and have some food. I don't drink when I am carrying, and if it is concealled like it should be, who will know you have it?

Also what type of gun do you like to carry?
I carry either a 40 or a 45 short models. My wife carries a little 9mm or snub .357. She has a .32 caliber, but I told her that you had better aim carefully, or atleast the sight of the gun may scare someone off.

Ladies I would like to hear from you also, my wife wants to know whats the best gun for her.
Were looking to buy a couple of guns, any for sale.
What are you looking for?
 
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olsmann

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Not to hijack this thread, but it brought up a question i have always had. Even if i dont have a CCW, would it be legal to carry a pistol in a pack on the sled or in my back pack? as long as its in a case inside the pack? Im asking for in Wi and MI? I live in wi, so no permits to carry here (i hope this changes some day)
 
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Trick / Track

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olsmann,
As for Ohio and Mi. it is legal to open carry on your side, you may get checked by the police and people may freak out seeing it.
The laws say that you must have a permit to conceal.
You can transport a gun as long as the gun is not loaded and in a case and the ammo is some where else, not with you. So why carry!

Pat
 
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joks79

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olsmann said:
Not to hijack this thread, but it brought up a question i have always had. Even if i dont have a CCW, would it be legal to carry a pistol in a pack on the sled or in my back pack? as long as its in a case inside the pack? Im asking for in Wi and MI? I live in wi, so no permits to carry here (i hope this changes some day)
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That is a great question! Wouldn't the same rules apply as if you are in a vehicle and transporting a pistol?

Do you carry when you ride and why?
Not yet. I want my CCW first. I want to carry

What made you get your CCW?
Right to bear arms

What do you do when you want to enter a bar for food?
I ride back country and the only places I end up going to are back to our starting point or a gas station.

Also what type of gun do you like to carry?
XDM .40
 
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olsmann

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Trick / Track said:
olsmann,
As for Ohio and Mi. it is legal to open carry on your side, you may get checked by the police and people may freak out seeing it.
The laws say that you must have a permit to conceal.
You can transport a gun as long as the gun is not loaded and in a case and the ammo is some where else, not with you. So why carry!

Pat
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So it woulb be ok to have it in my back pack and ammo in tank bag?
 
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anonomoose

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I hardly ever carry my oozy...it tends to flop around on my sled a lot and makes too much racket when I ride in the woods...spooks the animals.

Actually I had a ccw for decades and got it when Michigan didn't hand them out like they do now-a-days. Once in a very great while I would have to travel to places that didn't like the looks of me, and pick up great quantities of cash...and it made me very uneasy doing this without some mode of protection.

Other than that, I just had it...no really good reason.

I would wonder why other than "because I can" anyone would want to add the additional weight and trouble to carry while sledding? I haven't heard of too many people getting mugged on the trail...and taking pot shots at those bozos that speed by you without signaling isn't very smart because you might ricochet and hit one of your own crowd.

Not too many grizz in these parts, and if you get lost...nobody is going to assume anything if you fire 3 shots in the dark...just assuming somebody is potting some meat for the table. (Especially out of season)

Course brandishing that big ole gun around at the campfire could be a good topic starter...and I am sure the girls will be impressed, and definitely feel safer knowing the guy behind them has a big weapon!

There are lots of reasons to carry a weapon, and I think that anyone should be able to protect themselves and not count on John Law to be the only one who can provide some relief if you are about to be accosted...but sledding isn't one of them...and I am ready and willing to listen to anyone who can tell me that they need it on the trail. Maybe I will learn something. (I doubt it...but I will listen and smile just the same.)
 
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thebluff

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I dont ride sled but I do ride ATV here in the Yoop. My wife owns a pistol but does not have a CPL. She usually carries too, as mentioned above, MI is an open carry state. In more suburban areas, open carriers will likely raise a fuss from the law, but it is legal and well tested in MI. In most areas in the Yoop, I dont think anyone would raise an eye, I see folks during hunting season frequently leaving town, on foot, with a shotgun in hand.

I have had my CPL (I dont think they call it a CCW anymore because it is strictly for pistols) for about 7 yrs now. I am also a FFL license holder. I have my CPL because I can and for protection. In the summer, I often ride alone and we do things like picking berries and such where there is potential to stirr a cougar, bobcat or whatever.

It is critical to know the rules of the state you are carrying in, there are many states with reciprocity however the laws of the state you are IN apply. I am only familiar with Michigan laws.

For MI, if the pistol is concealed and the ammo is accessable, you must have a CPL. Otherwise, it must be locked in a case or trunk, seperate from the ammo to transport. As for entering an establishment, you first must respect any request by the business if they have it posted as a gun free zone. The law states that if a business gets the majority of its sales from alcohol, it is a gun free zone....if it is primarily food, you are safe.

Last I knew there was no clear way to define other than I believe it is generally accepted that "you will know if you are in a bar that is primarily food or not". I dont think it has been tested, I beleive that is the advise from a very good MI orgainzation, www.mcrgo.org. They have a weekly email that you can sign up for, usually an attorney addresses questions like this...this was the jist of one of his responses.

There are other gun free zones, like I said, know what you are doing in that state as laws vary. It would be acceptable to go into a drinking establishment and have the pistol locked away on the sled. While I am not sure what it is, there is a BAC limit that is very low to carry legally too. Probably best to not test that one if you are drinking...dont carry.

Wireburnguy
 
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chords

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bluff, if I understand correctly, in MI, - anyone - w/o a permit can go about their daily business and have their weapon of choice tucked in, but in plain view. But to have it "hidden" requires a CCW/Permit ?

(anyone - not some that may have a record or restricted otherwise)
 
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thebluff

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In plain view or open carry....it is correct that this is legal. There are cities and municipalities that have ordinances that prohibit open carry but state law supercedes and in all cases allows for open carry.

My bro is a cop in lower MI and told me that he has orders to arrest someone with a visible weapon. You will be inconvenienced however you have not broken a law. Not sure I need to carry openly bad enough to do all this, but this has been tested and upheld in court.

www.mcrgo.org is a great resource for info. http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/doc_pdf/msp_legal_update_opencarry.pdf addresses your question. It also addresses out of state people in MI. It states that without a CPL, it is not legal for a non-resident to posess a pistol in MI.
 
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Trick / Track

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thebluff,

CCW & CPL are both the same.
It is legal for a person to carry concealed if the states agree with each other.
MI. only has a few states that they will not allow. Go to your attroney general site, they have them listed there.
The person has to follow that states laws.
Not all states laws are the same.

Pat
 
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thebluff

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They are the same in the sense that they mean the same thing. It is actually called a concealed pistol license (CPL), looking at mine right now. If I remember correctly, it did start as ccw however the permit does not cover "weapons" as the "w" would signify...it is only a license for pistols. I think some were using the CCW to conceal sawed off shotguns, etc.

Most do use them interchangably, I was simply taught this is an important clarification in the class I took, so I no longer use the term CCW.

I think the other points you made line up with what I stated. Reciprocity is something we do have with most states, unfortunatly not with some of our neighboring states, something very important to Michiganders traveling. http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/d_ccwrec.asp
 
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thebluff

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As a FFL dealer, I am also not allowed to transfer a gun to a non-Michigan resident. Not sure why that is, since the ATF is a federal entity and the background check, etc is done on the federal level.

I still am able to provide guns to out-state people but must send the gun to a licensed FFL holder and then they handle the paperwork for the feds.

Not really related to the topic but we did get off into how different states rules apply. The feds play a role in some things too. And much to my suprise, the ATF is very easy to work with, friendly and helpful. Much more so than any gov't organization I have encountered.
 
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Bradzoo

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Normally don't carry when I'm sledding trails, but it is with me usually locked in the truck. If I do take it, alot of the time I'll carry it in my windshield bag, unless we go in somewhere, we don't stop at bars much so I don't worry about taking it in one, most of time we ride the backcountry. Most other times I carry because I can.

Why did I get a CPL, because I can, my wife has hers also she usually carries

I usually carry a Tarus PT140, 40cal. she carries a Ruger LCP 380 with a Crimson Trace laser site
 
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russholio

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Same reason you have insurance on your sled -- ya never know when you might need it.
(btw, while I do have a CPL I have never carried while sledding. Not because I don't want to but for me it just isn't convenient). I have never been in any type of situation where I felt remotely close to needing it, but that doesn't mean said situation could never happen.
 
chords

chords

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Sled insurance, needing a spare belt or no questions asked or because I can.
Help me out here with the connection.
 
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