Deep snow sled?

Chicago Boy

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Ok guys I'm getting older and not so much in to running 100 mph and thinking about a long track and some Mt riding
Anyone have some advice on track and CC for a newbie
 

Boondocker82

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The M-Series cats are a great sled. If your going to ride in the UP I would get something more in the 141-146" track length but the 153 would still be fun. For strictly out west I say the bigger the better. There are a lot of really nice sleds out there, but none as reliable as the cat in the 800 class. If your looking at a polaris, the Pro's are the best chassis out there but they have some motor issues, the IQ chassis is a lot of fun but unless you know your 2-strokes I'd stay away from the 800. Go with the 700 (not a ton of power but bullet proof, a real pull and go sled). As far as Ski doo's go, I dont like them. I could never get used to the steering post or the flickability of them. But if you must have one, I'd go new. Heard a lot of great stuff about the XM.
 

hoffmansledder

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I see a brand war starting, but I'll throw in my $0.02. IL is not to far to trailer from, we do it every year and it is nice to have your own sled. Riding in the west is much more physically exhausting than trail riding. I can trail ride all day 250-300 miles for several days and feel fine, but 4 days out west and I'm wiped out. Do some physical conditioning before you go, remember the air is much thinner at 11,000 ft. and you will get winded quick. As far as the sleds go, everyone had an opinion. Weight is important so I sould never have a Yamaha. I love my Summit 800 E-tec 154'' and there are plenty out there. We tend to see mostly RMK's and Summits in the Snowies. Yes there are some M8's and I think I even saw 1 or 2 Yamaha's last week too. You will get stuck if you are seriously going to play in seep snow. Good luck, this battle is just starting I'm sure
 

Hoosier

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I see a brand war starting, but I'll throw in my $0.02. IL is not to far to trailer from, we do it every year and it is nice to have your own sled. Riding in the west is much more physically exhausting than trail riding. I can trail ride all day 250-300 miles for several days and feel fine, but 4 days out west and I'm wiped out. Do some physical conditioning before you go, remember the air is much thinner at 11,000 ft. and you will get winded quick. As far as the sleds go, everyone had an opinion. Weight is important so I sould never have a Yamaha. I love my Summit 800 E-tec 154'' and there are plenty out there. We tend to see mostly RMK's and Summits in the Snowies. Yes there are some M8's and I think I even saw 1 or 2 Yamaha's last week too. You will get stuck if you are seriously going to play in seep snow. Good luck, this battle is just starting I'm sure

I agree that I like to have my own sled out there also, even if the sled I own is a trail sled. We took our trail sleds out there last year and had a blast. We weren't able to get nearly as far into the snow as we did when we rented mountain sleds, but still had a ton of fun with what we brought out there.
 

Modman440

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I love the m series i was going to buy one from a dealer but found one private for little more but nicer. Its añ 05 m7. I have rented all brands if i would not have gotten the m it would of been a summit. Each brand has positives and negatives just depends on your riding style. I like goin to the steep stuff. And out west ive always had cats but if i wanna go deep and carve all day i would get a doo. The m series do both well. I just think doos are easyer to throw around just my 0.02
 

radrick

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If you only plan on riding out west I suggest a 151" or longer track, if you ever plan on riding the trails around the midwest or go boondocking I'd suggest a 144'' range track. I have a 144" summit and have bondocked alot in the up, logged a few trail miles with it too. It does pretty well trail riding, really good for boondocking & out west, the 151''+ tracks do climb the steep stuff better, but not alot. For CC's I say stay 700 or bigger. I've rode with guys that had 600 long tracks, and they bought 800's the next year. The 600's do ok, but it just depends on where and how you ride. I also have and 800 144'' summit for sale!
 

Regis1320

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Check the classifieds, I might have something you're interested and i'm 10 minutes from you.

Also have a 136 renegade for sale too
 
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Deleted member 10829

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If you're going to buy new or recent used, just check the sales results, that says it all! Also read articles on the new mountain sleds, almost all end up with the same conclusion.
 

900kingcat162

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I've been out to play in Togwotte several times and have to say from my experience, the ride is 50 percent skill level and 50 percent machine. i have seen many short tracks driven by very skilled riders do more in the steep and deep than long tracks driven by unskilled riders. if you really wanna play like the big boys, bigger is always better. longest track and most power. we tow our own sleds out there just because we feel it is better to ride your own sled as you are most comfortable with it. no matter what sled you have, and no matter how skilled you are, you WILL get stuck. thats all part of the game. so get something light. there have been times when i got the sled stuck, stepped off, and was up to my armpits in powder. ease yourself into doing the fun stuff; dont think you can do it from the start. mountain riding is a whole different ball of wax. get your confidence level up first and then push yourself a little bit each time. before you know it, you will be doing monster jumps, sidehilling, and climbing stuff (where you probably should be going in the first place, but cuz you have an awesome sled you can) like the pros.
 

anonomoose

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Ok guys I'm getting older and not so much in to running 100 mph and thinking about a long track and some Mt riding
Anyone have some advice on track and CC for a newbie

I am surprised that I have to be the one to tell you all this.....

So your gett'n older, but want to NOW go off trail .....now this is the best one I have heard yet this year!

Before I begin....let me just say that I AM old and I do go off trail.....so I KNOW of what I speak...listen up youngster!

First of all try and find a sled that weighs about 125 pounds ALL CARBON FIBER job with a track that is at least 200 inches long....and while it won't ride as nicely as your usual trail sled...when (note I say WHEN) you get the machine stuck....which will be often as you chase the 'learning curve'...you will wish you bought a sled that weighs HALF as much....ever see one of those trailbike type sleds with one ski and a short little track on the back....even THOSE ARE TOO HEAVY when you get them stuck....as every sled made is TOO HEAVY and will require a whole nuther edjamacation in the art of unstickin a sled.

In the absences of finding a 125 pounder for sale out there....you might just want to go in the other direction....something on the order of a used trail groomer with twelve tracks under it should do it...then just go right ahead and get an 8 ton winch for those little surprises that crop up under all that lovely snow....You are going to need it...again...save the manual on the winch...you will find some handy tips out of it...such as what to do when the cable is 20 feet short of a tree trunk and which is the best way to winch when the machine is upside down.

Now...before ever attempting to ride this new wonder machine....I strongly suggest that you hit the local sweat shop gym to get in condition... start around June 1st and only work out for a couple hours....you don't want to drop dead in one of those places.... it stinks so bad in there, they wouldn't even notice you fora few weeks.

Next get some extra heavy warm clothing because if all else fails...you will need it when you "pend" the nite out in the bush!

Of course one of those new fangled gadgets that you push to tell you family that you are about to freeze to death might be nice...in that they can pray for you PRIOR to departure from this planet....and forget about being rescued...because NOBODY not even the National Guard wants to go out in the middle of no mans land to rescue some old clown who thought it would be "nice" to take up off trail riding with a sled that digs a hole thru 8 feet of snow in 2 seconds flat! They would only laugh when that one came over the wire! Nope...your a goner....which reminds me that prior to going...get your affairs in order...heart attack resuscitation in the bush is not going to happen...and if someone does hear your wailing.....they will only come to YOU because THEY are lost too...and hoping YOU can direct them out of the bush.

GET A GPS+++ and as you might have guessed this is not your ordinary GPS as you would be familar with and mounted on your car/truck dashboard....no....this one stands for GOD POSITION SEARCH.....so that when you GET your heart attack, he will know exactly where you are and won't have to wait until spring gett'n you threw the pearly gates....animals might find you otherwise before then....not a pretty thought.

Now I am NOT trying to discourage you from jumpin in to a perfectly great snowmobiling activity...on the contrary, nobody wants to live to collect social security, and frankly....the government would appreciate the fact that you paid IN all those years but won't around to collect a nickle of it...for the rest of us on SS....we thank you for your contributions in advance.....

Now....I know this sounds like I would not do this myself...no sane man would knowingly head to his maker ahead of schedule....so I have found that there is ONE thing you can do to enjoy this OFF TRAIL riding with a LONG tracked sled that only weighs about the same as 9 over weight men in a sack....and I will give you MY secrete for still doing it.

I tell all my younger sledder friends how much F-U-N it is to "go off trail"...notice I say YOUNGER...like in sub 24ish....those guys would charge up a mountain pass with NO chance of turning around...because they can't think that far in advance.

Covet those friends...be sure to invite them along and make THEM carry the shovels and bungee cords and tow ropes.

Then WHEN you get stuck....holler over to them...and tell them that you "had to stop" to "check out this interesting thing in buried deep in the snow."..this one works for several trips...then when they wade over to your sled....mention that the sled needs a bit of a boost so you can get going again.

Unfortunately this won't work for the WHOLE winter....even dumb and young catches on eventually, so you need a healthy pool of "subjects" to work from....rotate thru the batch with some contimplation of the depth of snow...I find wirey guys tend to be more useful than the brawny kind that lift lots of weight but they tend to fade over time...and besides wirey don't usually drink as much of YOUR beer. NEVER EVER solicit guys with short legs...they are basically worthless....we are talking legs no longer than say....Lenny's.....that's why they buy Yamaha's and stick to the trail....they can't even SEE over the windshield and well...enough said about that.

If you simply must go off trail with your 187 inch tracked sled....I suggest that you take a couple things that can be of significant aid in gett'n unstuck...take note here....this is my personal list I am unwrappin here:

4 shovels....plastic is good but be absolutely certain that YOUR shovel is the wimpiest in the batch....distribute the better shovels to your FRIENDS.

I usually carry one or two rather long braided rope of 3/4 diameter....these have a tensil strength of about 20,000 pounds and are quite heavy to carry....distribute these to the others who will be going along...you would have to be nuts to carry one of these yourself....weight is not a good thing when your going off trail.

Consider a come-along....again, suggest others carry this...for the same reasons as above. If anyone balks at haulin it...tell them that it is just a simple insurance policy thing....

Finally, a good first aid kit and a small cooler big enough to carry a six pack of beer....keep this one on YOUR sled...it helps when the youngsters start giving you lip about wading on over to your sled....the "found something neat..." doesn't work forever don't yah know!

And that's about it.....I would keep the sales receipt for the "long tracker" as it will be highly helpful to persuade younger dumber sledders you will be trying to sell that monster off to....at the end of your first season...when you finally figure out that trail sledding has it's aesthetic values that we seniors rather appreciate over time. Oh, and gett'n home by 5pm can do alot for anyone who appreciates a good warm fire and a hot-toddy with the dog curled up next to you as you unwind after a day on the trail.

You will then be an official member of the "BTDT" club.....(been there dun that).

Pst....don't let this all this get out....I do have a few Younger recruits I am work'n on.....hate to lose them to loose lips! Cupish?
 

sifarmer

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i just picked up a 2011 xfire 141 with a 2.25 track. I can honestly say I think its the perfect all around sled. With scratchers trail ride all day, and in the powder that 141 and powerclaw track is a smokin setup in my opinion
 
very open ended question... cant stand to read the replys... I guess since there is no deep snow around here might as well brag about how great yours is at riding init.
 
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anonomoose,

You crack me up! Are you a writer or a comedian? Your post above was near genious IMO. Very creative mind at work! I have no doubts you got all A's in English class. Your writing reminds me of a guy that used to post on here quite a bit, but not much anymore. His name on here was boondocker, I believe.

Keep 'em coming!
 

hoffmansledder

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anonamoose, I didn't want to call mountain riding a young mans sport but since you pretty much did I will agree. I wish I would have started riding in the steep and deep years ago but now I'm 36 and love it. I'm getting to old to do it already but I hope I can continue for a few more years. That being said I know there are guys out there taht are 55+ yrs old and in much better shape than me. Conditioning is everything!!! Before long I will be the guy on the 4 stroke puttin' down the trail at 25 MPH holding up traffic and the Ricky Rocket Racers behind me cussing just itching to race around me and get to the next bar at 90 MPH.
 

sifarmer

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very open ended question... cant stand to read the replys... I guess since there is no deep snow around here might as well brag about how great yours is at riding init.



I actually put over 550 miles on the xfire in Madison less than 10 days
ago. If you got up there the day after it happened like my friends and I there was
plenty of deep snow. 4 feet of powder along all the fences and draws. Over the winshield
Plenty of times. Also rode all 400 miles of trails with the apex,s.
No couch racing here, just trying to help a fellow sledder out.
 

blob

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i just picked up a 2011 xfire 141 with a 2.25 track. I can honestly say I think its the perfect all around sled. With scratchers trail ride all day, and in the powder that 141 and powerclaw track is a smokin setup in my opinion

I would agree, this is a great choice if you are going to ride trails and offtrail in the midwest with the occasional trip out west. I have ridden sleds from a crossfire 136 to a M1000 162 (and many in between) both here in the midwest and out west, and had a blast on all of them. My sled of choice right now is a M8 153. The longer tracks and the deeper lugs will definitely benefit from ice scratchers on the trail. The 800 class sleds are more power than you really need at sea level, but not quite as much as you want at elevation. It really boils down to riding styles and prefrences. As others have said, riding in the mountains is a whole different ball game. 30 miles in the mountains on a deep snow day will wear you out faster than a 200 mile day in the UP. A skilled rider that rides the mountains all winter year after year riding a 600 short track will make an inexperienced mountain rider on super long track look silly.
 
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lenny

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I'd seriously consider reliability issues because some makers have a worse track record than others. I remember a post on here about an outwest guid who's fleet of sleds were Polaris pro RMK and half the sleds blew up the first year, the best chassis but kaplow they go.

Cat 800 in xfire or M is real nice. The doo' 800 E or P tech's are crazy power, very stable ride kinda hard for me to carve but my buddy flick them around like a rag doll and he weighs 150. Look how the cat 800 are bullet proof and the poo's are not, now direct drive poos failing all over the place. Cat reverse on the 4 stroke is a problem but not really apply to mountain riding with the 4's yet.

Personally after riding them all and looking at problems from the manufacturer's I'd take a cat first, than doo than a poo. If poo could do what cat does with motors I'd do a poo. Cat just knocks it out the park in all categories I'm leery of Doo's sealed bearing on cranks and the ride is to stable on doos FOR ME THAT IS. Yamaha is out of the picture so enough said there IMO and by the way I own 5 different Yamaha sleds now.

Remember, this is my opinion, I'm not bashing them.
 
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