DNR Check Point in Houghton Feb 11

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skidoodoug

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I would have thought the number of noise tickets would have been more and guessing the verbal warnings were because the stickers not being placed in the correct manner.???
 
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nadekeys

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My group was stopped and my brother-in-law was issued a citation for a sound violation. Officers were nice enough but I felt bad as my brother-in-law and sister were in town from Denver, CO for the Carnival weekend riding with us and have cans on their sleds as they ride the Rocky Mountains where weight is king. I feel like warnings should be issued for situations such as these but I understand why they are doing it. I just feel that we were a bigger group, no hot-doggers, all trail pass compliant, etc. and should have been given the benefit of the doubt. It didn't leave a great taste in my family's mouth for the area.

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I should add that his sled checked out at 92 dB when the law is 88 dB.
 
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jedoyle

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nadekeys - Do you know what kind of can it was? Curious because I recently added a GGB Trail Can to my 2017 Switchback Assault & we usually travel through the Houghton/Hancock area. I purposely got the trail version vs. the mountain one GGB sells so i would hopefully comply with noise levels. Really don't want an expensive ticket but I do like the can.
 
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Tracker

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nadekeys said:
My group was stopped and my brother-in-law was issued a citation for a sound violation. Officers were nice enough but I felt bad as my brother-in-law and sister were in town from Denver, CO for the Carnival weekend riding with us and have cans on their sleds as they ride the Rocky Mountains where weight is king. I feel like warnings should be issued for situations such as these but I understand why they are doing it. I just feel that we were a bigger group, no hot-doggers, all trail pass compliant, etc. and should have been given the benefit of the doubt. It didn't leave a great taste in my family's mouth for the area.

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I should add that his sled checked out at 92 dB when the law is 88 dB.
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I agree aboot a warning too....but the cops up there are RELENTLESS and UNFORGIVING AT ALL TIMES....I too stopped going there for that reason....we would get tickets because the stickers were on the sleds....but not exactly where the stickers said to place it....some were on side of cowling and down below and others where it would stick on the panels.....nothing...nada...tickets for all...woooohooooo

PS...Polaris dan....after this I once took a group of 10 at about 105MPH thru a check point....asked the last guy thru what happened....he said ,on the 3rd guy they were pulling out there chase sled out of pickup....he said as he was going by they were done for...no movement at all...figured we was GONE...and we was....LOL
 
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Skylar

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Tracker said:
I agree aboot a warning too....but the cops up there are RELENTLESS and UNFORGIVING AT ALL TIMES....I too stopped going there for that reason....we would get tickets because the stickers were on the sleds....but not exactly where the stickers said to place it....some were on side of cowling and down below and others where it would stick on the panels.....nothing...nada...tickets for all...woooohooooo

PS...Polaris dan....after this I once took a group of 10 at about 105MPH thru a check point....asked the last guy thru what happened....he said ,on the 3rd guy they were pulling out there chase sled out of pickup....he said as he was going by they were done for...no movement at all...figured we was GONE...and we was....LOL
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Man, your gang is the most bestest fastest coolest gang out there!
 
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whitedust

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Stopped a bunch of us during a 2008 Yamaha factory ride from M&M ...lol ...I just sat there let the Yamaha rep talk ..lol... I guess the bitch was were were going greater than 25 mph on the trail just before the bridge and the neighbors were complaining. Also was snowing very hard at the time ....me I would take the demo ride then go right back out on next ride with a different sled....had a blast that day then bought one a few weeks later.lol.. DNR or cops whichever were nice lectured the demo guy then let us all go the demo guy could have cared less and took next group out...lol:)
 
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cooksend

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jedoyle: A friend running a GGB Trail Can in Vilas was stopped last weekend. They tested with the brake applied and RPM's brought up to 4,000. I am not sure at what distance the test was done. His sled metered at 84DB.
 
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jedoyle

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cooksend said:
jedoyle: A friend running a GGB Trail Can in Vilas was stopped last weekend. They tested with the brake applied and RPM's brought up to 4,000. I am not sure at what distance the test was done. His sled metered at 84DB.
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Well that is good to hear anyway. I know that doesn't necessarily mean I can't get a ticket but I do feel a little better after hearing that. Thanks!!
 
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eao

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This week, Thursday as I recall, I spotted a State Police cruiser (SUV) whip into main street of Dollar Bay then make a U-Turn and park at the Main St trail crossing just as a group of machines were approaching the stop from the Hancock direction, same direction the cruiser came from. The sleds sat there but I don't know if he stopped any of them. He sure was in a big hurry to get to the trail crossing near Quincy's Rest. for some reason and make his presence known.
 
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MNBlizzard

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nadekeys said:
My group was stopped and my brother-in-law was issued a citation for a sound violation. Officers were nice enough but I felt bad as my brother-in-law and sister were in town from Denver, CO for the Carnival weekend riding with us and have cans on their sleds as they ride the Rocky Mountains where weight is king. I feel like warnings should be issued for situations such as these but I understand why they are doing it. I just feel that we were a bigger group, no hot-doggers, all trail pass compliant, etc. and should have been given the benefit of the doubt. It didn't leave a great taste in my family's mouth for the area.

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I should add that his sled checked out at 92 dB when the law is 88 dB.
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The law is there for a reason, mainly to protect our trail system and I applaud the enforcement. If I am riding out west, I abide and follow all the laws of the area and do my best to make sure all in my group do as well. (i.e. such as not riding in closed areas) IMO, no reason for adults not to know the laws and rules of the area and I think you should of warned your relatives about their loud sleds.

Furthermore, should we be given the benefit of doubt if we happen to cross into wilderness area out west? Pretty sure we would not and penalties may involve a lot more than a simple ticket.
 
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sjb

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nadekeys said:
My group was stopped and my brother-in-law was issued a citation for a sound violation. Officers were nice enough but I felt bad as my brother-in-law and sister were in town from Denver, CO for the Carnival weekend riding with us and have cans on their sleds as they ride the Rocky Mountains where weight is king. I feel like warnings should be issued for situations such as these but I understand why they are doing it. I just feel that we were a bigger group, no hot-doggers, all trail pass compliant, etc. and should have been given the benefit of the doubt. It didn't leave a great taste in my family's mouth for the area.

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I should add that his sled checked out at 92 dB when the law is 88 dB.
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How did he/she measure your dB? Was there a distance measured off?

For those who want a rough idea what their dB is, use the app Decibel 10th. It is not an ASTM certified device of course, but will give you an idea. I use this App at work to at least get an idea of noise levels.
 
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nadekeys

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MNBlizzard said:
The law is there for a reason, mainly to protect our trail system and I applaud the enforcement. If I am riding out west, I abide and follow all the laws of the area and do my best to make sure all in my group do as well. (i.e. such as not riding in closed areas) IMO, no reason for adults not to know the laws and rules of the area and I think you should of warned your relatives about their loud sleds.

Furthermore, should we be given the benefit of doubt if we happen to cross into wilderness area out west? Pretty sure we would not and penalties may involve a lot more than a simple ticket.
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Quite frankly, his can wasn't that loud. And thanks for making assumptions, but I did make sure they were aware, however I've never seen sound checks in that area, only trail sticker checkpoints. And I've been riding up there for nearly two decades and have never avoided the area, I am a Michigan Tech alum and go up once or twice a year, every year. If you ever slip up hopefully you get the full extent of the law applied. The law isn't always black and white and exists for a purpose - judgement can and should be a applied. The noise regulations are to cut down on the 2-stroking hot-doggers that are riding like idiots, not a respectful out-of-towner on a slightly too-loud sled. But also as I said I understand the reasons and I'm not a fan of loud cans myself. We were already dealing with issues that day (my Apex broke down) so I was having to ride my off-trail turbo nitro (which they didn't even blink at when I drove by). Another sidewinder passed us also with a VERY loud exhaust that they passed right through also without testing.

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How did he/she measure your dB? Was there a distance measured off?

For those who want a rough idea what their dB is, use the app Decibel 10th. It is not an ASTM certified device of course, but will give you an idea. I use this App at work to at least get an idea of noise levels.
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They had a sound measuring device set up in a little clearing, had the snowmobile parked a certain distance away, had him rev it to 4000 and hold it while applying the brake (which is great for the belt). The sled was perpendicular to the microphone if that makes sense. Maybe the nytro I have would have tested better with the exhaust out the back? Not really sure.

I think I know the app you are speaking of. Over on TY4stroke a couple folks have tested that vs. measured levels with official equipment and it wasn't off by much, but I don't remember the exact amount of difference.
 
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1fujifilm

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"The law isn't always black and white and exists for a purpose - judgement can and should be a applied."



If you get a ticket, better to just mail a check in. The Magistrates in some areas of the U.P. have a difficult time reading, interpreting and passing judgment on persons and the situation regarding the law as no law degree is required to be a magistrate.

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bladeguy

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I think next time I have my clutch done I will have it engage at 4100 in case I hit a check point. If you want to do a check point so be it. But damaging a $100-$200 belt? That is hitting below THE BELT....
 
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vmaxal

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Seems they need to change their test method per the latest revision of that spec which addresses bladeguy's concern. Now 82dB @ 2500rpm


Measurement of Exhaust Sound Levels of Stationary Snowmobiles

Standard
J2567_201511
Revised

Published November 24, 2015 by SAE International in United States

Sector:
Commercial Vehicle

Topic:
Exterior noise,
Test procedures,
Recreational vehicles and equipment

Issuing Committee:
Snowmobile Technical Committee


Rationale:

This revision is proposed to address issues observed while conducting sound pressure level measurements using the current document. Those issues were reported to committee members by users of this document. In fact, snowmobile transmission calibrations have evolved over the years and because of different torque characteristics of newer engine designs, the snowmobile transmissions of a large number of models are fully engaged at 4000 rpm. This situation leads to the impossibility of conducting the test at 4000 rpm on those models without damaging the vehicle transmission component, especially the drive belt and drive pulley that are part of the CVT system. Tests were conducted by members of the committee and a new operating engine speed of 2500 rpm is proposed in this revision. Some modifications are also proposed to the measurement section. Those modification are there for added clarity and are not intended to modify the measurement procedure. A minimum SPL limit is also included in this revision. The limit used to enforce noise levels by snowmobile trail officers was 88 dB when performing the test at 4000 rpm. Tests conducted when decreasing operating engine speed from 4000 rpm to 2500 rpm showed an SPL decreasing by 5.3 dB on average. The SPL limit that is added to this document is 82 dB and was measured on very hard pack snow conditions typical of a snow covered parking lot in the winter. Therefore the ground condition section is also modifed to account for this ground condition. A similar SAE document (SAE J2825) includes minimum sound limits.


Language:
English




This SAE Recommended Practice establishes the test procedure, environment and instrumentation for determining the sound levels of snowmobiles in the stationary test mode. This test method is intended to provide an accurate measurement of exhaust and other engine noise and may be used to evaluate new and in-use snowmobiles to determine compliance with noise control regulations. Sound level measurements obtained with this test method are not intended as an engineering determination of overall machine noise. For this purpose, the use of SAE J192 is recommended.
 
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snocrazy

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DNR had a check point last Saturday in Wetmore in the Gerou parking lot as you came out of trail 419 to go to Holiday and get gas. As you came up the hill...... suprise. DNR orange all over the place. I saw a lot of sleds in that lot.
 
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