Does the Marquette area give a cold shoulder to snowmobilers?

yamalaris

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We rode to Marquette this past weekend, the last 10 - 15 miles on trail 14 into Marquette were back breaking awful, the trail took us to nothing convenient it was very aggravating to fuel up and get back out, kind of bittersweet because there are some incredible vistas but Marquette will never be a destination of mine again.

Trail 8 east and west was well groomed it clearly deteriorated towards the end of the day but that is understandable based on the high concentration of sleds in the area, we got lucky and picked up freshly groomed trails in Ishpeming and sailed back to Lake Gogebic.
 

beakjones

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If you're going to Big Bay, fill at the crossroads BP or Ishpeming. The FREE maps are very clear about this; so as long as you plan your trip you should be fine.

There is nothing in the city of Marquette for sledders. There is plenty of stuff for sledders in Ishpeming. (Jasper Ridge brewery FTW) As for complaining about trail 14 back into Marquette- Coming in off the highlands can get rough sometimes, these are very technical trails compared to almost anywhere else in the UP and if that's not you're style then you're in the wrong place. It is not the place for straight-line cruisers, that's for sure!

Aside from that I don't know what else to say, I think y'all are making much ado out of little here.
 

micelist

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I don't think they have anything against snowmobiles but the trail doesn't allow access to anything other than the holiday inn express and the gas station right accross the street from there. We have allways found the conditons to be good in the area considering the traffic load they have. I ca'nt see how you can hold it agaist the people if they choose they dont want snowmobiiles on the city streets. With Jasper Ridge and the Venice club so close: WTH anyway.
 

polarisrider1

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I don't think they have anything against snowmobiles but the trail doesn't allow access to anything other than the holiday inn express and the gas station right accross the street from there. We have allways found the conditons to be good in the area considering the traffic load they have. I ca'nt see how you can hold it agaist the people if they choose they dont want snowmobiiles on the city streets. With Jasper Ridge and the Venice club so close: WTH anyway.

Do your homework. The bulk of the people in Marquette or Chocolat twps. do NOT want you there. Unless you are spending money in the casino east of town.
 

srobak

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Lots of surprising, mis-information in this thread... even from residents of the area. Gotta love it.

The way Marquette is laid out - long before snowmobiles came to exist - is not conducive to sleds through the city proper. That's just The Way It Is, and there are several communities that are affected much the same way. You need to remember that Marquette is a "metropolis" with regards to its position as a community in the UP. Can you snowmobile through the middle of downtown Winnipeg or Calgary - further north with more snow? Of course not. Then why on earth would you expect to do so through the middle of Marquette? Marquette is not a "small town" when it comes to the UP, and by population concentration. It is actually very densely packed for a UP community.

321 will get you to the Holiday Inn, Holiday Gas Station, Big Boy, Jilbert's a mall, Menards and a few banks. Sledders are a major source of revenue for Holiday Inn over the winter months, and the trail leads right to their door. Without all the sled traffic spending weekends there, it would certainly be hurting, despite the other business it gets in the winter months. From there you can cab to the bars - which are downtown and through a route that has far too much foot and car traffic to permit travel by sled (Inter-mixing sled and car traffic in such a densely developed area would simply be overly hazardous to both.), or walk all of 1 or 2 blocks to several more restaurants. That layout of the city has nothing to do with sleds pro or con, and those of you who think it does are sorely mistaken. Trailblazers have gone so far as to lay down regular routes to the movie theatre, middle school, Econo Foods, and Shopko - all from where 311 goes by Marquette Mountain (snowmobilers and skiers crossing trails, even!).

The same, existing, groomed and blazed trails all were there loooong before there was a Lowe's, Target, Walmart or really anything west of the Westwood Mall, and a lot of the land between those establishments and the groomed trails is privately owned. That is not the fault of the city or the county. In fact - to get just about anywhere in downtown or east of Shopko from either 321 or 322 you would literally have to ride right through residential districts and through people's back or front yards or down major, high-traffic streets... again - all of which existed long before sleds entered the picture... so you would make more sense in blaming Bombardier for coming along too late than you do in blaming the city, county, or community that all existed prior. Remember - this is a major city - not the back woods.

There are plenty of locations to get Fuel in and around Marquette - none of which are more than 12 to 15 miles apart from each other - including the Holiday across from Holiday Inn at the end of 321, Holday just off 417 in Harvey, Crossroads on the spur off 8 just south of the city (which also shares the intersection with both Arctic Cat AND Yamaha dealers... name one other community that does that!) and of course the stations out west in Negaunee and Ishpeming. If you are that tight on fuel in between - then that is just poor planning on your part, or you really need a tune-up. Plenty of hotels as well - aside from the Holiday Inn. You have Econo Lodge accessible across the highway from 417, Nordic Bay Lodge - which is literally right ON 322 coming off the backside of Mqt Mountain, and Brentwood Motor Inn, Birchmont Motel and Country Inn Suites also all across the street from 417. There are several places to eat along that same stretch of highway near 417... some you might have to walk a couple blocks to get to from those hotels (oh the horror... walking!). Where 417 crosses M28 - on your way to fuel at Holiday you also pass 3 other hotels and a strip mall, not to mention a grocery store, sub shop, bank and pizza shop across the street.

Snowmobiling is HUGE business for both the city and county and it is promoted and pushed ad nauseum by the hotels, powersports dealers and tourism and travel boards in the area as well as every single business that is sled accessible in the region does indeed advertise as being such. Always has been this way - despite many misconceptions in this thread.

The whole 321/8/14/322/417 area that goes through and around Marquette is the 2nd largest hub if not 1st of sled traffic in the entire UP... which would explain the condition of the trails on some days. If there was nothing there for sledders, then there wouldn't be so much darned sled traffic, now would there? Let's use some logic here, eh? **** - Groomerdave is one of those who runs through there, and there are others who volunteer their time to groom when they can (you're welcome). If they are on the trail during the day more often on the weekends - people would b*tch that they were tying up the trail - so they run late at night after the massive sled traffic has taken its toll and it is easier to deal with lighter sled traffic on those trails.

I was up there a couple weekends ago with a group and got some amazing riding in earlier in the day Saturday, had banged up trails that evening and night, and smooth sailing late at night and on Sunday after the groomers went through again. That's just Part Of Snowmobiling. If people don't like it - then maybe it is time to just use the car. It is still some of the best region for sledding and activities and locations to ride to. Everyone in my group had a blast. Logistics, food, entertainment and lodging were never an issue, and they cannot wait to go again next year.

Again - Marquette is the largest community in the UP... and does indeed rank as a city. It is not a podunk town of 1500 to 5000 like the majority of the rest of the places you ride to up there. That combined with the sheer amount of sled traffic through and around it as well as the high amounts of annual snowfall are things to keep in mind before people go badmouthing it without genuine foundation.
 
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srobak

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Year and a half ago - trail is still there, millage passed, and "some" residents does not at all account for the majority. EVERY community has its boneheads and boistorous gasholes. :)
 
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polarisrider1

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Year and a half ago - trail is still there, millage passed, and "some" residents does not at all account for the majority. EVERY community has its boneheads and boistorous gasholes. :)

I am in a lake association that has it's semi retired busy bodies in it to.
 

groomerdave

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Lots of points on here, some true, some false. Bottom line in my opinion is the City of Marquette is not conducive to snowmobiling, and does not try to promote it. Businesses in Marquette township and Chocolay township love the extra business brought in by riders. Chocolay township government is unique. It's the only local government I have ever seen that is opposed to change and development.

So to answer the original question: Does the Marquette area give a cold shoulder to snowmobilers?

No, not the cold shoulder. Can you get into Marquette? No, not legally. Is the area turning you away? No, lots of businesses welcome you here.

Trails never groomed? For the most part trails are groomed every NIGHT. In my opinion, in a perfect world, you should never see a groomer. This would allow the trail to set up.

Trails last weekend sucked! We had so much traffic and fresh snow along with drifting there wasn't much more we can do as groomers. I know that Trail #417 has seen more traffic this year so far than it ever has. There is a sled counter at the welcome center that proves this. It was checked at the beginning of February and it had around 7000 hits for the year. YEARLY averages are 4-5000! We were not riding for the first half of December this year. On Thursday of last week we had our groomer stuck off the edge of the trail. With the chores that come with that, there was someone in the groomer most of a 24 hour period from Thursday evening till Friday evening. The groomer had 679 sleds pass it in that time period. I have never seen that volume of sleds around here in my 14 years grooming in the Marquette area.
Hope everybody had a good time, it's melting fast here! Would be surprised if we still have enough snow to groom by the end of the weekend with the sun and warm temps.

Just my $.02.

Think Snow! -Dave
 

dafalls

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Agree that Marquette is just not set up to cater to snowmobilers as smaller towns in the UP are. Have taken trips there Holiday Inn and had a good time. Also had my sled with me during my years at NMU and put many miles on during the weekends.

Stopped by the AC dealership on my way to the airport last week and was pretty impressed with their inventory.
 

frnash

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srobak:

Thank you for a most intelligent post.
You have described Marquette to a T.

You're absolutely right, Marquette is what it is, and it's just too bad but I guess they neglected to consider snowmobiles in the first hundred years or so of development, since around 1849.

By the time snowmobiles came along it was a bit too late to accommodate them in "beautiful downtown' Marquette. (Population density in the 2000 census: 1,723.9 per square mile/sq. mi.)

You have clearly outlined the many options available for snowmobilers in the Marquette vicinity!
 

EXCESSIVE FORCE

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srobak:

Thank you for a most intelligent post.
You have described Marquette to a T.

You're absolutely right, Marquette is what it is, and it's just too bad but I guess they neglected to consider snowmobiles in the first hundred years or so of development, since around 1849.

By the time snowmobiles came along it was a bit too late to accommodate them in "beautiful downtown' Marquette. (Population density in the 2000 census: 1,723.9 per square mile/sq. mi.)

You have clearly outlined the many options available for snowmobilers in the Marquette vicinity!

I agree, well said...........
 

beakjones

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Dave, my 2nd (used to be only) house is in Ishpeming... you think this might be the last weekend? I usually stick to trails 8, 5 and 14... I'm very worried and am not even going to ride in the daytime because I think it will be too warm.... stupid weather!
 

groomerdave

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Dave, my 2nd (used to be only) house is in Ishpeming... you think this might be the last weekend? I usually stick to trails 8, 5 and 14... I'm very worried and am not even going to ride in the daytime because I think it will be too warm.... stupid weather!

Trails probably last weekend. Backwoods will still have a while left. Was places yesterday with a 4' snowpack.

Think Snow! -Dave
 

440_chazz

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Me personally i love the Marquette area because it is so centralized. I can get up there from the Milwaukee area in about 4.5 hours (I live about 30 miles north of milwaukee right by HWY 41) The transportation network to get to Marquette has greatly improved since I started coming up. It is 65 mph four lane all the way up to Marinette, and then you can't beat the straight roads of Michigan. So it is a fast route to get to instead of going to Munising or Houghton.

FYI: The Nordic Bay Lodge is out of business. That was a great place to stay at too. I miss those concrete hard bunk bed mattresses. I couldn't sleep the first night on them but oh man the second night on those things it was lights out.
 

srobak

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Ah that sucks :( I worked there as a kid when it was Tiroler Hof... very nice couple that owned it, and nice place overall. I know they took a beating when the base closed.
 

alex2929

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Marquette may like the sleds however, chocolay township hates them and anything to do with them. I was at lakenenland this past weekend. Tom has caught so much grief from them. A couple of residents that live close by stopped down while we were there and were complaining about the township too. pretty sad they can't just let him go. He is harming no one and all the neighbors close by think it is very neat and do not mind at all.
 
Well, by the time I got to the end of theis thread I had almost forgot what it was pertaining to. As far as Marquette not being conducive to snomobiling, I agree. But, the businesses that you can get to in that area are happy to see you.

Also, concerning snowmobiling in that area didnn't the Township or town of Marquette a few years ago vote to not groom at all only to realize the impact it had on the community at the end of the year? It seems like I remember that, but I could be wrong. Anyone? That would say tons about the attitude of people in that area about the sport of snowmobiling.

We were just through there in Sunday 2/28. Went from LandO Lakes to Bruce Crossing across to Michagamee (sp?) through the bottom of Marquette across to Munising and then south to the Buckhorn just north of Manistique. So I concur with everyone that said the trails were junk. 280 miles of bumps. But then on Monday they were great, so I guess you just chalk it up to bad timing.
 
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