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E-15 here it comes.
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Corn is now approaching $6 a Bushel, this will end soon, or Corn Flakes will only be for the rich. All Commodities are high because of this BS.
Think about all the Fuel it takes to raise and transport the Crops to make this stuff.
I also spent $400 to rebuild the Carbs on my 01 Johnson Outboard because I used E10 in it.
Think about all the Fuel it takes to raise and transport the Crops to make this stuff.
I also spent $400 to rebuild the Carbs on my 01 Johnson Outboard because I used E10 in it.
Corn is now approaching $6 a Bushel, this will end soon, or Corn Flakes will only be for the rich. All Commodities are high because of this BS.
Think about all the Fuel it takes to raise and transport the Crops to make this stuff.
I also spent $400 to rebuild the Carbs on my 01 Johnson Outboard because I used E10 in it.
Wrong! commodities are high because of China and Russia. They both had major droughts and need to feed millions of people. Other countries need grain and our dollar is weak making our grain the most attractive to buy. Not because of E-15. The blended fuel market right now is less then a fraction of what livestock uses.. And yes with these commodity prices E-anything won't be around for long.
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crskidoo is correct. There is a breakeven on the ethanol plants even with the govt subsidies. It is far below $6.00 corn. In our region the ethanol plants shut down and start up according to the price of corn. Once their current contracts run out I suspect they will be shutting down until corn gets back to reality. Whatever that is with our devalued dollar. Anybody noticed pump gas is near $3.00 again and there is very little commotion? It has become the new 'normal'. We have been acclimated to it. The times they are a-changing and most people are just rolling with it. Hope everyone has about 2 million saved up for retirement. Thanks Fed.
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Biodiesel mandated in Minnesota? When did that happen?
Somebody better get the word out around here cause ain't nobody using it unless they want to.
I am thinking about three years ago. Believe me if farmers had the choice they would not be using it. It actually 'grows' in the fuel tanks. Many injection systems have been ruined by it especially on non current machines. The real old stuff will still work but the things that are about ten years old do not tolerate it well. I know of a guy that had to spend $30,000 on the fuel system on his 8 year old 9600 JD combine to fix the damage done by bio. It is a joke.
Ethanol on the Run?
Some potentially good news here, from The Wall Street Journal, December 5, 2010: Ethanol on the Run.
Some potentially good news here, from The Wall Street Journal, December 5, 2010: Ethanol on the Run.
Kind o' hard to imagine Diane Feinstein and Jon Kyl agreeing on anything, but this could be a good sign!"The political class inevitably invokes the moon shot or Manhattan Project as a model for every unrealistic energy goal, but for once maybe that hyperbole is apt: A left-right coalition is emerging to end ethanol subsidies.
"Last week, no fewer than 17 Senators signed a letter calling ethanol "fiscally indefensible" and "environmentally unwise." Led by Democrat Dianne Feinstein and Republican Jon Kyl, the group said Congress shouldn't extend certain subsidies that expire at the end of the year, including the 45-cent-per-gallon tax credit for blending ethanol into gasoline and tariffs on cheaper imports."
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Some potentially good news here, from The Wall Street Journal, December 5, 2010: Ethanol on the Run.Kind o' hard to imagine Diane Feinstein and Jon Kyl agreeing on anything, but this could be a good sign!
Amazing. We have 17 Senators that realize it is a joke. At the same time we have other legislation that thinks its such a good deal they want to increase ethanol percentages to 15%. Who wins? Just how many elected officials have to get involved to figure out something so simple and basic? Even if they stopped production tommorrow how many billions has been spent on ethanol refineries that will never be recouped? We have elected some really dumb people.
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We are too far down the road to stop ethanol. Too much money has been spent on developing cars to run on the stuff. Too much money has been spent converting all the gas pumps so they can pump 4 kinds of gas. Too much money has been spent telling the general public that ethanol is a good thing because it cuts down on our need for foreign oil. Never mind that we can get all the oil we need from the tar sands in Alberta, Canada. Never mind that we get along with Canada and even if we didn't their entire military force consists of three tugboats and a couple of hanggliders. The worst thing that could ever happen if we angered Canada would involve not televising Canada based NHL teams. But no, we have spent billions to get this ethanol thing started so we will spend billions more to keep it rolling. Completely fiscally and environmentaly irresponsible. Driven by stupidity and money under the table. O.K. Rant over. Have a nice day.
Al Gore?
This one has the flavor of sweet revenge, from the Gaston Gazette, Gastonia, North Carolina, December 6, 2010: Now do we stop paying for Gore's ethanol blunder?
This one has the flavor of sweet revenge, from the Gaston Gazette, Gastonia, North Carolina, December 6, 2010: Now do we stop paying for Gore's ethanol blunder?
"Al Gore recently made a startling admission: “First-generation ethanol, I think, was a mistake.” Unfortunately, Americans have Gore to thank for ethanol subsidies. In 1994, then-Vice President Gore ended a 50-50 tie in the Senate by voting in favor of an ethanol tax credit that added almost $5 billion to the federal deficit last year. And that number doesn’t factor the many ways in which corn-based ethanol mandates drive up the price of food and livestock feed."
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This one has the flavor of sweet revenge, from the Gaston Gazette, Gastonia, North Carolina, December 6, 2010: Now do we stop paying for Gore's ethanol blunder?
So then Nash - What would be the sequence of events should they vote to quit subsidizing ethanol at 45 cents per gallon? This could only be 4 weeks away. This is too funny. Gore is even worse than I thought. He cost us billions and he didn't even win. Just think what the fool would have done if he had won.
Who knows, I wouldn't even want to guess whether they'll get anything done before the end of the lame duck session.So then Nash - What would be the sequence of events should they vote to quit subsidizing ethanol at 45 cents per gallon?
'Progress' is the opposite of 'Congress'. Or vice versa.
The most ironic part of ethanol making a "cleaner" environment is the fact ethanol has a negative rate of return of energy. It takes more energy to make the crap then it creates. Not to mention the fact of South America farmers slashing more rain forest to grow crops America replaced with corn, causing an increase in CO2. Imagine that, something that doesn't make common sense the government is supporting.
Hopefully consumers will show we need a choice at the pump, but unfortunately I see 95% of the public buying what has the lowest price, especially in these times.
Hopefully consumers will show we need a choice at the pump, but unfortunately I see 95% of the public buying what has the lowest price, especially in these times.
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Set to expire without action. The bozos that vote already have a full plate. Time is short. They will be preoccupied with the tax extensions. If even the slightest doubt gets raised they will have no idea what to do. Perhaps the 45 cent subsidies will be voted down. Gas will go up 50 cents overnight. The next day it will go up more because the supply will be instantly 10% less than anticipated. Agribusiness will scream. Corn futures will drop. Grain futures will follow. Oil will go through the roof. We are at the mercy of elected officials that do not understand the consequences of their actions. That is why we are where we are now. It is only going to get worse. Thanks Algore for inventing this mess.
Not that I am in favor of the ethanol but does it make that much of a difference, on a carbed sled you can just jet up a little and an efi sled will compensate for it. My 96 s10 with a 2.2 four banger I ran e85 in it and could not tell the difference, we had a customer bring their car to the shop where I work and they had filled up with e85 and wanted it pumped out. We drained the tank into a 30 gallon tank and I would fill my truck up with it once and a wile and never made a difference
Briano, regarding the addition of ethanol into the fuel you state at "an efi sled will compensate for it". I was hoping you would enlighten us as to how they will accomplish this, perhaps with the fuel composition sensor that they don't have or by using the O2 sensor that they don't have (with the exception of a couple of models of four stroke sleds). Well we can count those options out on most efi's sooo how will they do it.
I will get hammered by the farmers. but this
whole ethanol deal does't fall to far from the
global warming tree.
It is a waste of fresh water and uses close to
the same amount of oil to produce a gallon of fuel.
Its cheaper because the government subsidizes it"" more taxes""
Drill off shore here in America and keep our money.
Polar bears are cute but they are smart, they can
find a dump in 2 days.
Rant over.
whole ethanol deal does't fall to far from the
global warming tree.
It is a waste of fresh water and uses close to
the same amount of oil to produce a gallon of fuel.
Its cheaper because the government subsidizes it"" more taxes""
Drill off shore here in America and keep our money.
Polar bears are cute but they are smart, they can
find a dump in 2 days.
Rant over.