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I hate the stuff but can't escape it at most pumps.
I hate the stuff but can't escape it at most pumps.
Get Rid Of The Corn Gas!
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X2 but Minn has more and more eth free pumps - it's prem but costs only .50 more that reg with eth. ya that's a lot but it used to be a buck more
renegade600
Active member
Every single car and truck that i own gets 2-3 mpg better mileage on ethanol free regular or premium than on the 10%... that is on (3) high performance cars, (1) 2500HD and (2) daily driver 4 and 6 cylinder cars...... better mileage would mean better emissions and less fuel use IMO...
Maine and Florida won against the Feds. Corn fuel is on its way out. Ounce you get north of Milwaukee on my way to the UP,corn free is a option at most stops. Your corn growing states with there heavily funded lobbiest are a few years away. Most stations in Illanoid stopped selling E 85,just a matter of time.
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that sounds about right because eth has 40% less BTUs or energy than reg gas so your efi's pick up on that and demand more fuel- your carbs just run lean until........
groomerdriver
New member
Well WD you finally post something that doesn't pizz me off and I agree with! 
Yep Paul that is my hope the E10 goes bye bye. Phelps Convenience upgraded their pumps now has 3 premium pumps resurfaced the pump area and has E free premium + a mid grade. A long time coming on the pump upgrade and I'm very happy about it as venturenorth and I top off AM & refill PM at Phelps Convenience and use premium. Much like the Sidnaw up grade another good thing!
If the consumer has the choice at the pump, I'm good with that. Problem is your "corn gas is not going to go away. No matter what the petro company's would like you to believe, the poor grade of gasoline they are producing needs the "corn" for the octane boost. Plus they have to use something for a oxygenate. "Corn" is the cheapest at that by far. If one learns how to handle and use "corn gas", they will have no problems. Just give them the choice.
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G
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If it is true that we can have a choice in what we fill up with that is good. In time - a very short time - corn gas sales will fall to the point that phase separation will take place in the the holding tanks. Then the folks that buy corn gas will get a nice drink of water which will really screw up whatever they are driving. Then word of mouth will take over and the remaining corn gas customers will switch to E free gas. The station owners will get sick of the problems and discontinue their E gas. Problem solved. All we need is a choice.
How about saving the corn for human food & feed for farm animals? Food source for energy never a good idea!
was there ever a government program that was a good Idea?
government bringing U ideas so good they have to be mandated
snobuilder
Well-known member
i'd love a so called "choice".....LOL....the almighty EPA took away our "choice" 20 years ago in SE WI and the former D. gov.
wanted to mandate corn gas statewide.
Funny how the party of "choice" is so against it when it is not on their agenda.
the epa started in the 70s and was needed . but like any government agency just ballooned completely out of control . same as a agency that started that same yr osha . from work place safety to total nanny state work place.
and when the 2 work together nothing can ever get done.
I think if Nixon saw what they have become they would have never been started
and when the 2 work together nothing can ever get done.
I think if Nixon saw what they have become they would have never been started
When was the last time there were no corn flakes at the grocery? Or the farmer had no corn to feed the livestock? Never; is a good answer.
snobuilder
Well-known member
Farm welfare
Snobuilder this is 2015. Ethanol subs all gone end of 2012. Current price of corn, 3.73 board. local 3.54. Local gas stations here with choice of ethanol blend and non ethanol reg gas, reg gas less than 2% of ethanol blend by sales volume. Price seems to sell. Reg non ethanol .40 to .50 more. My independent jobber says this price difference due to non ethanol more costly due to octane. Premium non ethanol is .80 to .90 higher than ethanol regular due to the octane. Also ethanol is by far the cheapest oxygenate additive by far.
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lenny
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very smart and practical thinking.
snobuilder
Well-known member
The graph was intended to show the straight up direction of corn prices due to eth. mandates manipulating the market.
No one wants ethanol fuel.
Selling it is the PC thing to do.
If consumers were offered a real "choice"....corn gas would NEVER have made it on its own.
Ethanol is force fed to the public and the shear volume makes it cheaper.
Around here the non eth gas is 91 oct. premium except for one road ranger station who carries it as 87 oct. reg.
Non eth 87 oct. is aprox. $.35 a more no matter if gas is $4.00 or $2.00 per gallon. Prem. non eth. is set at gouge level being anywhere from $.80 to $1.10 more per gallon. No rhyme or reason why not blending in 10% eth should add such erraticly high costs to a gallon a fuel except for price manipulation by all involved.
Add in the subsidies that you claim ended in 2012 and then tell me the real cost of corn gas.....nevermind....that study won't be released.
By the way, after years and years of being forced too use corn gas, where is the proof that it has done a bit of environmental good except for them who profited from it.
No one wants ethanol fuel.
Selling it is the PC thing to do.
If consumers were offered a real "choice"....corn gas would NEVER have made it on its own.
Ethanol is force fed to the public and the shear volume makes it cheaper.
Around here the non eth gas is 91 oct. premium except for one road ranger station who carries it as 87 oct. reg.
Non eth 87 oct. is aprox. $.35 a more no matter if gas is $4.00 or $2.00 per gallon. Prem. non eth. is set at gouge level being anywhere from $.80 to $1.10 more per gallon. No rhyme or reason why not blending in 10% eth should add such erraticly high costs to a gallon a fuel except for price manipulation by all involved.
Add in the subsidies that you claim ended in 2012 and then tell me the real cost of corn gas.....nevermind....that study won't be released.
By the way, after years and years of being forced too use corn gas, where is the proof that it has done a bit of environmental good except for them who profited from it.