Goverment motors and gas tax!!!!OUCH

Firecatguy

New member
looks GM looking to screw us some more.....sad sad have to say this just pushed me over to ford or maybe even a Toyota Pickup!!!!!MORE TAX WILL HELP?wth is he thinking...More Bail out?

from artical.......


.GM's Akerson pushing for higher gas taxes
David Shepardson and Christina Rogers/ The Detroit News
Detroit — General Motors Co. CEO Dan Akerson wants the federal gas tax boosted as much as $1 a gallon to nudge consumers toward more fuel-efficient cars, and he's confident the government will soon shed its remaining 26 percent stake in the once-bankrupt automaker.

"I actually think the government will be out this year — within the next 12 months, hopefully within the next six months," Akerson said in a two-hour interview with The Detroit News last week.

He is grateful for the government's rescue of GM — "I have nothing but good things to say about them" — but Akerson said the time for that relationship to end is coming because it's wearing on GM.

"It's kind of like your in-laws: It was a nice long weekend. We didn't say a week," Akerson said with a laugh.

And while he is eager to say goodbye to the government as a part owner of GM, Akerson would like to see it step up to the challenge of setting a higher gas tax, as part of a comprehensive energy policy.

A government-imposed tax hike, Akerson believes, will prompt more people to buy small cars and do more good for the environment than forcing automakers to comply with higher gas-mileage standards.

"There ought to be a discussion on the cost versus the benefits," he said. "What we are going to do is tax production here, and that will cost us jobs."

For the years 2017-25, federal officials are considering 3 percent to 6 percent annual fuel efficiency increases, or 47 mpg to 62 mpg. That could boost the cost of vehicles by up to $3,500.

"You know what I'd rather have them do — this will make my Republican friends puke — as gas is going to go down here now, we ought to just slap a 50-cent or a dollar tax on a gallon of gas," Akerson said.

"People will start buying more Cruzes and they will start buying less Suburbans."

With gas already over $4 a gallon in parts of the country, a higher gas tax is a hard sell.

Rebecca Lindland, an analyst with IHS Global Insight, said higher gas taxes in Europe did lead consumers to buy more fuel-efficient cars.

But she acknowledged that's virtually impossible to see in the United States.

"It's career suicide for a politician to call for raising gas taxes," Lindland said.

Akerson isn't the first auto exec to float the idea of a gas tax to encourage consumers to buy fuel-efficient vehicles. Ford Chairman Bill Ford Jr. has previously advocated a gas tax increase.

On Monday, a Ford spokeswoman said the company "will leave the policy decision to Congress"; in 2009, GM CEO Rick Wagoner called a higher gas tax "worthy of consideration."

Stock boost sought
Akerson believes the Treasury's continued ownership stake in GM — 500 million shares — is dragging down its stock price, which has fallen 23 percent this year, and closed Monday at $28.56. That's well below the $33-per-share it fetched in November's $23 billion initial public stock offering.

"I think that it is an overhang — to have 500 million shares sitting out there — it's a problem," Akerson said, adding that unrest in the Middle East and oil prices also are depressing GM's share price. "They don't know when (the Treasury is) going to come out. Investors hate uncertainty."

David Whiston, an auto analyst at Morningstar, agrees that government ownership is impacting investors' interest in GM.

"There are a lot of money managers that are waiting for the government to exit before jumping in," Whiston said.

The Treasury, which rescued GM with a $49.5 billion bailout and once held a 61 percent majority stake, "will likely look at another (stock) sale in August, after second-quarter earnings are announced, Akerson said.

The Obama administration has made clear it is eager to exit GM — but hasn't laid out a precise timetable.

Asked if GM is considering buying back its stock, Akerson paused for eight seconds before declining to answer directly. "But we have a lot of cash," he added.

At the current stock price, U.S. taxpayers would be out more than $12 billion on GM's bailout. Still, Akerson believes that, in the end, taxpayers will see the government made the right call in saving the automaker, as well as crosstown rival Chrysler.

"We are in the midst of transforming an iconic American company so 20 and 30 years from now (taxpayers) will look at this company and they'll say, 'Absolutely it was the right thing to do,'" Akerson said. "And it shouldn't be measured on did it sell for $43 or $53 (a share) or did they lose a couple billion dollars?"

GM was saved, he said, because of the extreme generosity of Americans — a spirit that helped restore Europe and Japan after World War II and rebuild cities such as New Orleans after natural disasters.

"We're the most generous country, even in terrible times," Akerson said. "We don't walk to the disaster as a nation. … We can't wait to help."

Things are looking up for GM's image, he said. Pollster Peter Hart, conducting research for GM, found 16 percent had a positive view of GM before the bailout. But that had risen to 65 percent early this year, Akerson said.

"I couldn't believe the press we got on the IPO — it was like a $100 million gift," Akerson said.

GM's rebound, he believes, was a "proxy" for the U.S.

"OK, we took the blow as a nation, we weathered the worst, and my God, we're back," Akerson said. "It's why I came here. It was a story of underdog that tripped as we all have in our lives — it was a good feel-good story."

Call for tax hikes
In his interview with The News, Akerson also weighed in on the nation's debt ceiling, saying Congress should raise it from its current $14.3 trillion mark. The government could default on its debt on Aug. 2.

"We're too good a nation to let ourselves be a banana republic," Akerson said, warning that a default would be "unimaginable" and could hurt auto sales.

But he agrees with those who say the country has been spending money it can't afford.

"Now, we need practical decisions," Akerson said. "I think you need to cut the **** out of the budget and you've got to increase taxes … on everybody — including the middle class and the rich people."

Akerson, who describes himself as "a Colin Powell Republican — not a Sarah Palin Republican" — said President Barack Obama has "done a pretty good job on the economy," which, he said, was "a nightmare.

"I don't think he can fix it in four years and I think we just have to stay the course," he said.

Despite his Republican stripes, Akerson is frustrated with the political climate and the media.

He was invited to appear on CBS' "Face the Nation," but said: "I can't go on it. I'm toxic. I'm like a lightning rod. I couldn't have an intelligent discussion without someone saying, 'He's a welfare guy from the bailout.'"

But he noted the bipartisan spirit of GM's rescue and the rest of the U.S. auto industry.

"If we had gone down," he said, "the supply chain would have gone down. … And Ford was hanging on by its fingernails, too."

GM's failure also would have led to Detroit's collapse, Akerson said. "I have not seen a city in this bad a shape since I went to East Berlin in 1969."

dshepardson@detnews.com



From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110607...on-pushing-for-higher-gas-taxes#ixzz1OghJOZsp
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
An increase in the gas tax makes sense if you are an American auto producer. Your government just bailed you out, and you have renegotiated your labor contracts and retooled your plants spending hundreds of millions or billions of dollars so that you can produce small fuel efficient cars that compete on a par with foreign imports on price and quality. And you can finally make a profit on small cars.

The last thing you need at this point is a bunch of people still wanting Suburbans and Silverados, because you now make Cruze and Malibu.

How do you increase demand for small cars in America? Raise the price of gas.
 

Hoosier

Well-known member
An increase in the gas tax makes sense if you are an American auto producer. Your government just bailed you out, and you have renegotiated your labor contracts and retooled your plants spending hundreds of millions or billions of dollars so that you can produce small fuel efficient cars that compete on a par with foreign imports on price and quality. And you can finally make a profit on small cars.

The last thing you need at this point is a bunch of people still wanting Suburbans and Silverados, because you now make Cruze and Malibu.

How do you increase demand for small cars in America? Raise the price of gas.

I think your point is basically correct, but what GM really wants is certainty. Jack the gas taxes way up and then you know for sure people will want fuel efficient vehicles. As it stands now, with prices going up and down, the manufacturers don't know what to plan for, as Americans still prefer vehicles with room in them for their families and to haul their things, so long as gas prices are reasonable every so often. So of course GM's incentive is to get the government to assist their business planning by reducing uncertainty. Every business would like that! GM would be ok with certain low prices also, as they are still capable and willing to make Suburbans and trucks (and for those types of vehicles there is less competition from the foreign companies).

At some point those in charge will realize that the US isn't Europe, that we will always need personal transportation here, that fossil fuels are the most available and efficient way to do so and will be so for quite some time, and that we might as well exploit the resources we have instead of sending all our money to those who would like to kill us. But that's just my opinion. Some will disagree with each of those points.
 

michaeladams

New member
in the pilot world there were two jokes about the faa, 1. hello, i'm from the faa, i'm here to help. the other is thier moto of "we're not happy till your not happy." I think the government got wind of that and thought it didn't sound that bad of a plan.just say'in.
 

scott_b

Member
sounds to me like a man who wonders how his company is going to hit their CAFE number in a few years...
 

racerx

Active member
Why does GM expect the tax to make people jump. If they are so worried about being green why don't they just charge more for the vehicles they do not want to sell that are "gas-guzzlers" or better yet don't make them and then sell the more fuel-efficient cars for a lower price, would that just be a novel idea. They in essence want the government to do the dirty work so they can sell more new cars and make more profits on volume. This just irritates me...For the most part we have refrained from buying new for years since they basically cost to damn much, period!! I work in manufacturing which is tied to automotive and I can tell you there is so much waste involved in domestic autos it is pathetic yet they outsource parts to get them made at very little cost. I have not seen prices go down yet even stay the same even accounting for inflation. Price increases have far exceeded my annual increase in pay seeing in the last 10 years we only saw 4 years that we got an increase, and in those six we got nothing not even cost of living. And I'm suppose to support this by paying more for gas which is less I can spend on value added stuff, they can go pound sand...
 

eagle1

Well-known member
What ya wanna bet he drives a guzzling Escalade to work everyday? What a douche bag.
 

ezra

Well-known member
What ya wanna bet he drives a guzzling Escalade to work everyday? What a douche bag.

I will take that bet! duche bags like him and Gore dont drive they are driven in very heavy armor plated limos or on chopers and private jets.I WILL NEVER BUY A CHEV OR DODGE AGAIN! I will drive a kia before a UAW pay off car
 

whitedust

Well-known member
Raise gas prices via tax another $1.00 per gallon & the entire US economy will collapse. This guy is not in touch with reality which concerns me. He knows nothing about the average working or non working American. Scary stuff with people like that in control. To me we should be converting to natural gas autos & get off the oil addiction is the only way to improve the USA. We have absolutely no energy policy what so ever just same old same old. Maybe some new ideas will surface in the 2012 election or things will go from bad to very bad. We just can't continue on the same old same old path.
 

mezz

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What ya wanna bet he drives a guzzling Escalade to work everyday? What a douche bag.

If I remember this right, this piece of work as well as the other 2 showed up to the hearing in Washington DC in Suburbans! Go figure, their current best selling vehicles, are SUV's & Pickups. Can you fit a family of 6 into one of these green machines? What a jack-wagon.-Mezz
 

squat

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Well the reason for GM tanking in the first place started back in 90 with the plant in Lansing to build the EV1. Ever hear about that one. It was the first mass-produced and purpose-designed electric vehicle of the modern era from a major automaker, and the first GM car designed to be an electric vehicle from the outset. The Fed's said there would be huge tax breaks for buyers. That never happened. Tree huggers in CA lease them to feel good. In 2003 they took them all off the road and destroyed them. Why? Due to the cost of maintaining a parts supply and service infrastructure for the 15-year minimum required by the state of California meant that existing leases would not be renewed, and all the cars would have to be returned to GM's possession. GM got the shaft from the American people, the congress in the 90's and Slick Willy in the White house. Then they have a plan to save the company and tryed to have Bankruptcy laws changed to be able to avoid being challenged by the UAW. That never happened. Obama takes over, puts this guy in there and changes the bankruptcy law to come to the same end but with our tax dollars to boot. Just so Obama can say "see, we need government to take over everything" I feel sorry for GM and what the government did to them. Ford stood silent and never tryed to go green and hit the jack pot! 20 years go by and GM tryed to lead the way and got the shaft! jUST MY $0.02
 

woodi

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My wife switched from GM to yota 5 yrs ago I switched 3 yrs ago to a yota truck.Neither vehicle has ever ben in the shop for as much as a bad light bulb. In my business Iv owned over 30 GM Fords & Dodges every one of those were in for 1 kind of warranty issues. yes I only get 15 mpg but its nice to be able pass another vertical with a 4bed snowmobile on back. not trying 2 bash other brands because I still own all three of the other brands I just know what it cost me 2 operate them.
 

nhra1000

Member
Ive re-read the article 3 times now and have passed it on to others...This guy is just an idiot...Do you know how many people/companies/tier 1 and tier 2 suppliers were left in the wake with nothing when GM decided not to pay their bills?? People were left with nothing but bankruptcy themselves and this guy is now saying "weve got cash" FU.
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
If I remember this right, this piece of work as well as the other 2 showed up to the hearing in Washington DC in Suburbans! Go figure, their current best selling vehicles, are SUV's & Pickups. Can you fit a family of 6 into one of these green machines? What a jack-wagon.-Mezz

No, they showed up in private jets. Three companies, three jets, asking for money. The next time the GM boys drove a Malibu.
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
Ive re-read the article 3 times now and have passed it on to others...This guy is just an idiot...Do you know how many people/companies/tier 1 and tier 2 suppliers were left in the wake with nothing when GM decided not to pay their bills?? People were left with nothing but bankruptcy themselves and this guy is now saying "weve got cash" FU.

No, he is definitely not an idiot. He is very smart. His company is up and running, new contracts with labor and suppliers, new models, good future. No, definitely not an idiot.
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
Well the reason for GM tanking in the first place started back in 90 with the plant in Lansing to build the EV1. Ever hear about that one. It was the first mass-produced and purpose-designed electric vehicle of the modern era from a major automaker, and the first GM car designed to be an electric vehicle from the outset. The Fed's said there would be huge tax breaks for buyers. That never happened. Tree huggers in CA lease them to feel good. In 2003 they took them all off the road and destroyed them. Why? Due to the cost of maintaining a parts supply and service infrastructure for the 15-year minimum required by the state of California meant that existing leases would not be renewed, and all the cars would have to be returned to GM's possession. GM got the shaft from the American people, the congress in the 90's and Slick Willy in the White house. Then they have a plan to save the company and tryed to have Bankruptcy laws changed to be able to avoid being challenged by the UAW. That never happened. Obama takes over, puts this guy in there and changes the bankruptcy law to come to the same end but with our tax dollars to boot. Just so Obama can say "see, we need government to take over everything" I feel sorry for GM and what the government did to them. Ford stood silent and never tryed to go green and hit the jack pot! 20 years go by and GM tryed to lead the way and got the shaft! jUST MY $0.02

Ummm, well, maybe...but I think GM's problems came from a rapidly declining market share, a consumer shift to smaller vehicles which GM could not produce profitably, and a shift from designer inspired vehicle design to bean counter inspired vehicle design. Once volume falls below the level required to support fixed costs of billion dollar plants the end is near.
The reason they failed was crappy, ugly cars that were too expensive to produce.
And, just to be clear, the tax dollars were used to buy shares in the new GM, it was not a welfare handout. So, if GM is successful, the government will sell its shares, hopefully at a profit.
After the $20billion IPO in Nov 2010, gov't ownership fell from 61% to 33%.

If GM succeeds, taxpayers win. GM fails, you lose.

Don't feel sorry for GM. They got new supplier and labor contracts, stuck the bondholders with the old debt, and started producing competitive vehicles that are profitable. They sold their business to the gov't to get back on their feet, and pulled off a $20B IPO. And by the way, don't feel sorry for the bondholders, they assumed the risk when they bought GM bonds.
 

Hoosier

Well-known member
No, they showed up in private jets. Three companies, three jets, asking for money. The next time the GM boys drove a Malibu.

A private jet at that. 3 CEOs, coming from the same city, in 3 private jets. Gotta love the PR!
 

Hoosier

Well-known member
And by the way, don't feel sorry for the bondholders, they assumed the risk when they bought GM bonds.

Sorry, gotta call BS on that one. The bondholders could not have been expected to forsee that the administration would throw 200 years of bankruptcy law out the window, tell the creditors that they better accept his deal or else, because the assets of the company are going to be given to his political supporters. It was an act of gangster government at its worst, and an act that will negatively impact the capital markets for years to come.

The creditors would have fared fair better in a liquidation or in a legitimate auction than in the "deal" they were forced into.
 
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