Hand signaling on your snowmobile: The sign language of the northwoods

frnash

Active member
I've said this before, but here 'tis again: There is a parallel here in aviation.

In my years of flying as a private pilot, even in VFR (Visual Flight Rules) conditions, I made it a habit to stay in communication with the FAA controllers from departure to destination, Departure Control (Radar), enroute (ARTCC center controllers) for air traffic advisories, Approach Control, the whole nine yards. I felt it kept me a bit more vigilant, and "on track" on the airway(s), rather than look like a doofus, carelessly wandering about the sky, and of benefit to all participants in the system, whether IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) or VFR. I was rarely off my checkpoints by more than 30 seconds, so apparently it worked.

Radio traffic on the ATC frequencies can get quite busy at times (like at LAX, SFO, OAK, SJC, SMO, or that little beehive of aviation activity, VNY); 'tis often challenging to get a word in edgewise among all the radio traffic (it helps to be "in the loop" all the way, with handoffs from one controller to the next, not just a random "popup", and it certainly helps too to be up on the "lingo" and verbal shorthand used in ATC communications!).

Nevertheless, the cardinal rule is:
"Fly the aircraft first, then communicate as you are able!"
That would seem to have a parallel in snowmobiling:
"Maintain control of your sled first, then communicate as you are able!"
Although there are nominally supposed to be "official snowmobile hand signals" as shown at: http://www.snowmobilers.org/saferide...y/page_01.html, there appears to be little consistency in the hand signals actually observed on the trail(s), only adding to the confusion.

Bottom line: If you don't have the sled under control, you have no business takin' yer paws off the controls and wavin' yer arms! But that's just the opinion of an aircraft jockey that has never even planted his "corporeal sitting-down-apparatus" on the seat of a snowmobile! :)
 
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lenny

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Signaling is a courtesy and not a mandatory preferably used only during daylight hours... Its that simple...

that's true and I signaled probably 10 times today. I was just out for a joy ride on the fan cooled poking around. I never iniate a signal but if they signal me I'll signal back as a courtsy but only if it's safe. Even though I signal if people want the signal, I still laugh in my helmet thinking, "what did that really help" especially when I know there is another group not far behind me as I can see them in the mirror
 

yamadooed

Active member
Lenny theres actually a hand signal for sleds following... I would describe as a hitch hiker but Im a bit rusty as I took my snowmachine class back in the mid seventys...
 

chords

Active member
How bout we keep the signals simple and at a minimum.

Thumbs up for more to follow

Thumbs down last one


And no signal if somewhere in between :D
 

peter

Member
Please keep your hand on the handlbars.
14 sleds pass by on tight twisty trail with low snow and lots of ice everyone of that group signaled me and # 15 took his hands off the handlebars lost control and hit me just 2 weeks ago. I saw all of them coming and I always expect someone to be coming around that next turn ahead. This person even said after it happen "when i went to signal you i lost control" I said dont signal me i saw you. No one got hurt and no real damage to sleds but could have been alot worse. I tried advoiding but no where to go but into a tree or swap some paint. I decided for some paint swaping.
 
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frnash

Active member
Please keep your hand on the handlbars.
14 sleds pass by on tight twisty trail with low snow and lots of ice everyone of that group singled [sic] me and # 15 took his hands off the handlebars lost control and hit me just 2 weeks ago. I saw all of them coming and I always expect someone to be coming around that next turn ahead. This person even said after it happen "when i went to single [sic] you i lost control" I said dont single [sic] me i saw you. No one got hurt and no real damage to sleds but could have been alot worse. I tried advoiding but no where to go but into a tree or swap some paint. I decided for some paint swaping.
I guess you were "singled" out for a collision! :eek:
 

yamadooed

Active member
Already spoken for as thumbs up means Im good and thumbs down means Ill stop and help yalls... These are for sledssitance and I use them often for trailside grazers...
If you give me a thumbs up or thumbs down going down the trail I reply with a middle finger... Unless of course you have mittens on...
 

Polarice

New member
Please keep your hand on the handlbars.
14 sleds pass by on tight twisty trail with low snow and lots of ice everyone of that group singled me and # 15 took his hands off the handlebars lost control and hit me just 2 weeks ago. I saw all of them coming and I always expect someone to be coming around that next turn ahead. This person even said after it happen "when i went to single you i lost control" I said dont single me i saw you. No one got hurt and no real damage to sleds but could have been alot worse. I tried advoiding but no where to go but into a tree or swap some paint. I decided for some paint swaping.

Did you mean signal? :eek:
 
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lenny

Guest
How bout we keep the signals simple and at a minimum.

Thumbs up for more to follow

Thumbs down last one


And no signal if somewhere in between :D

why bother when you gain absolutely nothing. All it really does is tell the last guy something that may be right or wrong. Maybe the first guy in another group is quickly approaching the last guy from the previous group and you just got the signal there are no more. In reality you compromise your own judgment to someone else's. Why the heck would anyone want to risk that. With the heavy traffic this season, it's very common to see short distances between groups with the leading group never knowing the rear group is closing.

I do not need anyone's permission to drive as if the coast is clear because the rate of error is a high odds to risk. I will always be in my lane and that's a promise,,,unless my ski falls off or I pass out!
 

xc500mod

Member
Please keep your hand on the handlbars.
14 sleds pass by on tight twisty trail with low snow and lots of ice everyone of that group singled me and # 15 took his hands off the handlebars lost control and hit me just 2 weeks ago. I saw all of them coming and I always expect someone to be coming around that next turn ahead. This person even said after it happen "when i went to single you i lost control" I said dont single me i saw you. No one got hurt and no real damage to sleds but could have been alot worse. I tried advoiding but no where to go but into a tree or swap some paint. I decided for some paint swaping.

This was probably Eddie Van Sleddin' or teamlipske. Guys who steer with their knees through corners so they can signal with both arms.

Where is the common sense?
 

CUDAC4Life

New member
Man.... Eddie, Whitedust, and Peter's stories made me have a flashback to about 10 years ago while snomowmibling right here in the heart of central wisconsin (CUDAC = Colby, Unity, Dorchester, Abbotsford, & Curtiss). I left from my farm in Unity and was headin' north to watch some snowmobile races in Curtiss. I got to the intersection by the buckhorn tavern and some hot shot on a souped up ski doo blew through a stop sign with a clenched fist in the air. I assumed that meant he was the last person in his group. I checked the other direction and then went ahead, as I moved ahead I sensed another sonowmobile at my side. I had to dump my sled in the ditch to avoid "ricky racer" on his red xcr 440. The memory is as vivid as anything I have experienced in my life.

The crazy part of the story is that when I got to Curtiss I saw the SOB on the xcr racing!!!! He was some blonde haired, 16 year old punk. His trail manners carried over to the track as I saw him take out a couple tail lights before he himself cased a jump and ended up in last place. You just never know what kind of wildmen are around the next corner when on the trail. Keep your hands on the handle bars and NEVER trust a closed fist!
 

coldbear

New member
Have it yer way!

Times have changed since the hand signals were established. Back in the early 70's, everyone used hand signals because the signaler wanted to let the oncoming rider know that his buddy or buddies were close behind. You have to remember that the early sleds did not have the reliance built into them as the latest ones. There were many break downs and wrecks do to poor suspensions Back in the day everyone slowed down when passing because you didn't have a hundred sleds screaming to you daily. Hey everyone slowed for everyone because it was unique just to view someone new on the trail.
I agree with Lenny. Keep your hands on the bars at ALL times. And if there is a head on because of an unknown missle coming at you 50-60 MPH, then chaulk it up as the newestl self established trail rule for the decade. No more releasing the bars for safety concerns. Let's just change the standard hand signaling system because it,s not in the interests of others that are that haven't invented a better signaling procedure. Ride safe and I'll see ya on a trail, or stretcher.
 
The only time you might catch me not using hand signals is if I'm out on my 97 XLT, with a Honda 1100 RR motorcycle engine. No need for hand signals, you'll hear me coming.
 

xsledder

Active member
I don't use the finger signal to indicate the number of sleds behind me if there is more then five sleds behind me (Don't have more then four fingers and a thumb on my left hand). I use the thumb pointing backwards signal taught in my snowmobile safety class to signal to oncoming sleds there are sleds behind me (like the cowboy in Vegas). Most of the time I don't signal for oncoming traffic but I signal to the sleds behind me in my group. Oncoming sleds are the left hand pointing to the right over my head (again, taught in the snowmobile safety course). Stopping, left hand straight up. Right turn, left hand up with a 90 degree bend at the elbow. Left turn, left hand straight out. Trail hazard, point to it with my left hand. Also, I don't signal if I can't safely operate the sled with one hand or at night. (Why signal at night with a black suit and black gloves.) I told my kids to never signal until they have a little more experience riding. I don't know if the wife signals or not (she is at the end of the group). More often then not, you'll get a little wave from me.

So, you can say I'm consistently inconsistent, but at least I'm consistent.

I would rather not see a signal than see the wrong signal.
 

Grant Hoar

New member
OK, everyone signals with the left hand, which is the brake hand, while we still keep the other hand on the throttle. Doesn't that seem a bit backwards, to lose the ability to slow down when approaching a hazard (sledders in other direction), but still keep the right hand twisted tight on the go button?

Lets think outside the box here. New rule, all hand signals shall be made with the right hand so we all slow down a little. :rolleyes:
 

Chicago Boy

New member
I gave up on the hole hand signals thing, most people fly past and think I'm waving hello ,now as unsafe as it could be it is funny
We all know we ride by and think to our selfs ( what a as_hole )
I ride first the wife & kid 100 yards back it's better for me to crash then something to happen to them
 

craigrev

Member
I appreciate getting hand signals from on coming sleds. The lead sled in most groups is usually the most experienced and aggressive rider. I have found that sleds behind the leader use both sides of the trail trying to keep up with the leader, thinking that the leader will slow down on-coming traffic. I will often completely stop before a blind corner and wait for on-coming sleds (I can only do this if I know that they are coming). More often than not, the sleds that follow are taking the very inside corner regardless of which side of the trail. When a sled signals "last sled", I can begin riding at my normal (safe) trail speed. I always try to signal that sleds are following when safe to do so.(I feel a responsibility to keep those behind me safe). Common sense dictates that you keep both hands on the bars if you are not 100% confidant that you can control your sled with one hand!!! Just my $.02
 

yamadooed

Active member
I stopped chew'n gum while I ride, found out that that I really couldn't work the throttle at the same time most times I never made it outta the motel park'n lot... I did save hundreds on fuel and carbides though...
 
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