Holy xxxx, i mean holy shot!
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momoney2123
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Good one...best joke ive heard today!
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so skidoo expounded on that and the charge stays longer that's all.....snake oil in silk purse....welcome to cats EFI 15 years ago....kudos for skidoo moving ahead 10 years....LMAO
Well I don't mountain ride or off trail much...I'm a northern WI/UP guy and weight isn't a big deal to me.... When I sit on my 700 pound La-Z-Boy with the jet engine strapped on, (cat 9000) I really don't care. I have a few buddies with 850 ducks, there nice, there lighter, but always in my hand mirror.....The new Doo's look nice and I wish all the Doo army fun.....brrrraaaapppppp.
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Cirrus_Driver
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That's HIGHLY debatable. "Junk" being an overstatement of course, but there are some that are FAR superior to the others. There is a reason some have 42% & 30% market share and others fight for the bottom.It doesn't offend me momoneyThis is what makes sledding fun! Just making sure you don't drift too far
srt20
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Haha didn't mean to offend you with the weight comment. They are all(including doo) junk
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Check yourself before you wreck yourself brotha
https://www.snowest.com/2016/04/skidoo-summit-x-850-etec
Please forgive me oh butt hurt one.
I did not know that anybody had weighed a RTR 2018 Ski doo sled yet. I was just going off of what your almighty doos website has posted.
I do agree a great way to save weight is to lessen the fuel and coolant capacity. Thats always a good plan of attack....
Boy, I give doo props for what they bring to the table, and the number 1 fanboi still gets all bent.
Hows this momoney, Doo is the best ever was, there is, and ever will be. That work for you?
They're not far superior to others XXX007 although some of you believe that. Some produce a lot more than others and flood the market. Some have big rental fleets that also flood the market share. NO doubt who's bigger, doesn't make them better or superior. There are more Escorts than Cadillac's sold historically many years too, doesn't mean they're superior Its' not debatable, just because I don't agree doesn't mean I'm offended, you obviously don't know me I call it how I see it whether I sell it or not
Its' not debatable, just because I don't agree doesn't mean I'm offended, you obviously don't know me I call it how I see it whether I sell it or notHave another one,,
Like Kip said, all 4 mnfgs. are good, but Ski Doo just seems to keep pushing the envelope, just like Apple does on the tech side, like them or not. It is what the newer generations and the "status" crowd wants: new technology, colors, whatever. And, they do all this by still producing a cutting edge and quality product, year after year.
As for the shelby369 comment about an 850 in the mirror, questionable. Had the chance to demo. ride a Sidewinder 137 x-tx (?, heated seat, tall windshield) for 40 miles last weekend, through woods and straightaways, and my 850 is easier to ride through the woods, and competitive in the straightaways. Just stating from experience. Also had the chance to ride some Polaris factory sleds a few weeks ago, really nice too.
As for the shelby369 comment about an 850 in the mirror, questionable. Had the chance to demo. ride a Sidewinder 137 x-tx (?, heated seat, tall windshield) for 40 miles last weekend, through woods and straightaways, and my 850 is easier to ride through the woods, and competitive in the straightaways. Just stating from experience. Also had the chance to ride some Polaris factory sleds a few weeks ago, really nice too.
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Cirrus_Driver
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I detect defensiveness and delusion in that reply. The reason those 42/30% market shares sell more is because they have a superior product. The market/customer demands those products more than the bottom feeders. Elasticity of demand. Economics 101 - college studies. This point is so obvious, I wouldn't think it needs to be stated.
Detect what you want, once again doesn't mean you're right. Like I said, all 4 make great products, still doesn't mean one is superior to the other. I don't have a college degree so maybe that's why I don't follow your superior thinking. The reason they sell more is because yes they make a good product but not superior to others. They sell more because of big rental fleets. They sell more because of price. There are many good reasons they sell more but to say they're superior simply isn't true. Just my humble opinion XXX007. You have yours and I respect it, just don't agree with it.
journeyman
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Ski Doo isn't covering the whole market though. There is/was a good number of Ski Doo riders over on DooTalk that were yelling at the top of their lungs for Ski Doo to produce a 1200 turbo model but SD refuses to do so. They do not want to show up their top line 2s E-Tec models. A good portion of those guys have jumped ship and are now buying or already have bought the SW or the new TCat.
I have no doubt the new SD's ride good but so do the new SW's, been on them myself. As for competitive in the straightaways.......sorry but the new SW/TCat is hands down much faster. No contest. To be honest the 850's are relatively the same as the previous 800 ETec in performance. Not any faster than my well dialed 136 Apex. Been there and done that too.
I have no doubt the new SD's ride good but so do the new SW's, been on them myself. As for competitive in the straightaways.......sorry but the new SW/TCat is hands down much faster. No contest. To be honest the 850's are relatively the same as the previous 800 ETec in performance. Not any faster than my well dialed 136 Apex. Been there and done that too.
Lmao, then why hasn't cat offered this on their sleds for that last 15 years? Not smart enough to think about it? I'm not not brand loyal, currently on a 16 Cat M8000 limited. Previously on polaris, before that Doo, before that cat.
momoney2123
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My day is great and not bitter and bent...just calling a spade a spade.
Please let me know where you find the doo is 40 more pounds than the comp on their website
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They're not far superior to others XXX007 although some of you believe that. Some produce a lot more than others and flood the market. Some have big rental fleets that also flood the market share. NO doubt who's bigger, doesn't make them better or superior. There are more Escorts than Cadillac's sold historically many years too, doesn't mean they're superior
cadillacs are not the same price as 'escorts' or imports? Snowmobiles are roughly the same price across the board. That argument is not valid.
momoney2123
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That is a small market. I think they may enter it soon, but like usual it will be different than the industry. I have rode 2k miles up north this year and seen 1 sidewinder, yes 1. I have seen probably 75 850's.
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I guess I would think smart rental fleets would want the most reliable sleds
haha I had too. I Wish I knew doo's highest selling sled...
journeyman
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I stayed in Greenland near Pat's all last week. Rode the whole western side of copper country. There were oodles of riders, more so than we normally see on this week...(not on the weekend either) Put on 760 miles. I can honestly say I saw lots of Ski Doo's in general but lots of other stuff too. I counted probably 10-15 SW's and about 4-5 new TCats and roughly 10-15 new 850's. They are not hard to miss with the Donald Duck looking front end.
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Don't mean to insult your intelligence or embarrass you, but have you studied college level economics? Forget college, just use common sense, IF the product were superior, regardless of price, the market WOULD buy more of them, and thus their market share would increase beyond 7%. Apple I-Phone is probably most expensive, and are number one in market share because it's THE BEST phone. Econ 101/102. Toyota Motor Co, Honda Motors...the list goes on. Toyota didn't enter market as number one, but their quality/functionality was so SUPERIOR, their market share steadily surpassed GM & Ford. Schools out - believe what you want.