Idler Bearing Source

snowfish

Member
Just a heads up on a source for Skid Frame Idler Bearings and more.

http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/process.html

I wanted to freshen up the skid idlers on my Cats. Dealer was at $16, Napa $12, and these guys $5.99. Circlips .99.

I picked up a dozen, including Circlips, with shipping, for $90.75. About $7.56 each One day delivery. Nice!
 

elf

Well-known member
I bought some of these bearings last yr from Fastenal. Don't remember what I paid but I think it was under $5/bearing
 

indy_500

Well-known member
I just repack em. Never replace em anymore... I'll save my $90.75 and spend $2 on a tube of grease.
 

xcr440

Well-known member
I just repack em. Never replace em anymore... I'll save my $90.75 and spend $2 on a tube of grease.

As long as you catch them before they run dry, this is easy, and you can actually get more life out of a self packed bearing.

Anyone ever see how little grease they put in new bearings these days? You can see right through them without the seals.
 

snowfish

Member
How often do you replace bearings? Just when they get noisy when you spin them?

That and if they get a bit too much slack. (wobbly)

Agree with repacking, but a lot are not "caught in time". Filling the new ones is a great idea too. Not much grease in there from the factory.
 

mikedrh

Member
Agree with repacking, but a lot are not "caught in time". Filling the new ones is a great idea too. Not much grease in there from the factory.

If you talk to the bearing people the amount of grease they put in a bearing it is exactly what the bearing needs for optimum performance.

They say, "too much grease will cause heat and rolling resistance".

Heat? Not much chance of that being a problem on a snowmobile suspension.

Rolling resistance? A snowmobile, by design, is a huge pile of rolling resistance anyway. I don't think you'll notice a little extra grease in the bearings.

I agree the extra grease IS NOT needed for lubrication reasons but if you fill the bearing with grease there won't be any room for water.
 

indy_500

Well-known member
Anyone ever see how little grease they put in new bearings these days? You can see right through them without the seals.

No kidding! I just keep on cleaning out the old grease and packing in new stuff on all my bearings. Only bearings I replace is driveshaft and jackshaft. For the chaincase side, I got expensive FAG bearings and for the clutch side I got NTN Blue bearings. A cheap bearing does no good, kind of like cheap tools.
 

Hoosier

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That and if they get a bit too much slack. (wobbly)

Agree with repacking, but a lot are not "caught in time". Filling the new ones is a great idea too. Not much grease in there from the factory.

Can you take the seals on and off them without ruining them?
 

snowfish

Member
Can you take the seals on and off them without ruining them?

Yes. A small screw driver, like for eye glasses, works great. A little patience and the seal carefully tickles out. Then it snaps back in when greased.

This is only for the sealed bearings with the plastic seal. The protected bearings, with the metal seal/guard, I would not try to remove.
 

snowfish

Member
If you talk to the bearing people the amount of grease they put in a bearing it is exactly what the bearing needs for optimum performance.

They say, "too much grease will cause heat and rolling resistance".

Think about it. That makes absolutely no sense at all. Most half way decent trailers come with EZ-Lube, Sure-Lube, Acu-Lube, etc hubs. Probably even your trailer. There's a grease fitting built into the spindle. The design is to totally fill the center cavity and stuff as much grease as possible into the bearing. We're not talking bearing buddies here. They are not your buddy in reality.

I guess it depends on what bearing guy one talks to. The guy that manufacturers them, and saves 10 cents per bearing by light greasing. Over a million bearings is an extra $100k to the bottom line.

Or the bearing guys, on the front lines, that have seen them burn up by too little grease.
 

xcr440

Well-known member
Think about it. That makes absolutely no sense at all. Most half way decent trailers come with EZ-Lube, Sure-Lube, Acu-Lube, etc hubs. Probably even your trailer. There's a grease fitting built into the spindle. The design is to totally fill the center cavity and stuff as much grease as possible into the bearing. We're not talking bearing buddies here. They are not your buddy in reality.

Optimum performance would be in a racing application, where said bearing needs to perform at its peak for what, a quarter mile? 5 miles? Maybe 100 miles? Then they get replaced.

You tow your trailer how many 100's of miles in a year? You ride your sled what, 1000 miles? 1500 miles? 2000 or more in a single season?

Do you want to replace that bearing every 100 miles? No, you want it to go a full season without having to worry about it failing. Thus you pack it full of grease to keep the water out of the bearing, (which is why they fail, by either lack of lubrication or water corrosion), and you sacrifice that 1-2mph across the lake that a lightly greased bearing could give you.
 
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snowfish

Member
Agreed. However the lightly greased fresh out of the box sealed bearings are sold to everybody. Not just racers.

Grease them, or wish you did.
 

mikedrh

Member
Think about it. That makes absolutely no sense at all. Most half way decent trailers come with EZ-Lube, Sure-Lube, Acu-Lube, etc hubs. Probably even your trailer. There's a grease fitting built into the spindle. The design is to totally fill the center cavity and stuff as much grease as possible into the bearing. We're not talking bearing buddies here. They are not your buddy in reality.

I guess it depends on what bearing guy one talks to. The guy that manufacturers them, and saves 10 cents per bearing by light greasing. Over a million bearings is an extra $100k to the bottom line.

Or the bearing guys, on the front lines, that have seen them burn up by too little grease.

Most bearing people are looking at bearings for more of a industrial application on motors and conveyors or places where they are not subject to water and extreme temps. In a huge manufacturing facility with hundreds of motors, conveyors and assembly lines that extra rolling resistance could equate to a ton of extra cost per year.

In a "perfect" world the amount of grease they put in a bearing is "perfect". Snowmobiles and trailers are not exactly perfect worlds for bearings.

One of the biggest problems with snowmobiles and trailers is the long periods of sitting idle. A little moisture in the bearings and the balls get a little surface rust, the bearing gets a little loose, and then the seals don't seal right. If you could keep those bearings moving on a regular basis you would probably eliminate most of your bearing problems.

I put rotating my idler wheels on my snowmobile on a regular basis right up there with rearranging my sock drawer (probably not getting done anytime soon). So untill then, I agree, fill the bearing with grease and you will eliminate space for water.
 

doomsman

New member
Mike, we didn't want to embarrass you yesterday so
no one said anything, but you had one brown and
one black sock on.

I feel the quality of the grease is more important than the
quantity.
 
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