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snobuilder

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mhbouch285 said:
Even with three DNR officers .....still reasonable and without undue delay. Looks like they still doing just their job and within the boundaries of the constitution so no 4th amendment violations. Guess people will just have to deal with it and keep complaining. Hope they are as thorough if they are ever trying to save your life or that of a family member.
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What is it that you derived as probable cause from the OP's post?....They claim some sleds were stolen so now that it snowed, there plan is to set up a checkpoint and stop everyone on a sled to have them prove their innocent of being a sled thief in a trailside courtroom?....what was the alternate plan if the trails never opened?....LMAO

You sound like a (not very good) cop.
 
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Cirrus_Driver

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mhbouch285 said:
Even with three DNR officers .....still reasonable and without undue delay. Looks like they still doing just their job and within the boundaries of the constitution so no 4th amendment violations. Guess people will just have to deal with it and keep complaining. Hope they are as thorough if they are ever trying to save your life or that of a family member.
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DNR has saved nobody I've known - never even heard a story. Now if it comes to saving fish, deer or canadian geese....yeah - they're on it. Paaa-lease.

Have you heard of the legal term - PROBABLE CAUSE? Do some research. How about exercising some judgement before stopping a bunch of kids out for their 1st joy ride in 5 years? DNR = joke.
 
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snobuilder

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I was stopped 2 years ago....the last time we had ridable snow....I think the 2 sheriffs were just giddy as school girls to be out on sleds that night because of the bad non opened trail cond. year after year.
I asked them why they stopped us.....they said to check our registration and trail pass. I pointed out that my stickers were right where they should be.... They said well its dark and hard to see them. I said ok can we go now. It was over at that point. Still an inconvenience I didn't deserve.
 
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whitedust

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mhbouch285 said:
Even with three DNR officers .....still reasonable and without undue delay. Looks like they still doing just their job and within the boundaries of the constitution so no 4th amendment violations. Guess people will just have to deal with it and keep complaining. Hope they are as thorough if they are ever trying to save your life or that of a family member.
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DNR officers saving lives ....I never heard of anything like that? I suppose if a DNR officer came upon a scene where someone was injured they would try and help but wouldn’t anybody? DNR is all about the land ,water and creatures that reside there. Saving human lives seems like a stretch to me that’s LEO and first responsers jobs.
 
snomoman

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Well at least we have a few good "snow days" to take advantage of until the trails turn sour again...just make sure you have all your paperwork
when riding in Illinois.
I was talking with a co-worker that took a friends snowmobile out for a quick ride and got corralled in by the DNR. When all was said and done, he had somewhere around 7 tickets. Went to court with a slew of other people that were also issued tickets. The judge looked at everything, called a recess, went to the back chambers, came out and addressed to all ticket holders that everything was dismissed. I have to wonder why, my co-worker didn't have a clue.
 
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yamadooed

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A safety checkpoint has nothing to do with checking for registrations, Ids, serial numbers or proof of insurance.
 
gogebic_sledder

gogebic_sledder

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IL DNR is even worse when it comes to bowhunting. Were the only americans "Guilty until proven Innocent" Cant even tell you how many hunts I've had ruined by CO's walking in to check me. And the best part I hunt on my own properties. Its the same conservation officer every time, its harassment.
 
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ICT Sledder

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mhbouch285 said:
Even with three DNR officers .....still reasonable and without undue delay. Looks like they still doing just their job and within the boundaries of the constitution so no 4th amendment violations. Guess people will just have to deal with it and keep complaining. Hope they are as thorough if they are ever trying to save your life or that of a family member.
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I know in the event something bad should happen to me, my first thought will be DNRs to rescue with their CPR certifications and bandage kits.

Said no one ever.
 
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mhbouch285

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Nope not a cop, just someone knowledgeable about the legal system who is tired of people complaining like sixth grade girls on this site. Don’t judge a person until you have walked a day in their shoes....that applies to everyone...including DNR
 
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snobuilder

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Some ppl feel being harrassed by the law is great and the constitution is a living document. It is not. History teaches nothing to them. Probably so scared in their own lives they love to see the law violating a persons right to live and be free. They are the only ones above suspicion. Everyone else out there on the trails is a violator and need to be stopped.
Complaining like school girls???....LOL, most school girls would stand up for their own rights and freedoms better than yur avg LEO boot licker.
There is a big dif. between supporting law enforcement and letting them stomp your rights into the mud with so call "check points"
 
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mhbouch285

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I think the spirit of the original post has been lost. JMD was seeking thoughts on an incident involving his son’s group and the DNR. He even stated that he did not have a problem with them being stopped and is thankful for them patrolling the area. I said that stop seemed reasonable given the amount of sleds and DNR. It could be possible that they were only stopped for 30 minutes or maybe even longer but unless it was timed no one knows exactly how long the stop was. This thread then turned into a bashing and complaining about the DNR which is unecessary and not productive. I’m sure the admin on this site don’t want that hence the other thread about The forum rules.


Yes I’ve only posted ten times however posting is not a requirement on this site and therefore I mostly choose not to.. That being said I read most of the posts on here and have done so since even before I signed up for an account in december of 2009 (about the same time as snobuilder). If my math is correct, and the user profile join dates are correct, that is approximately 8 months before you did Polarisdan

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snobuilder

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Many comments from the Il residents mention having proof of sled insurance in your state, but then say that these officials were stopping riders simply to find stolen sleds.....I'm sorry but that is laughable. I will go out on a limb and say that it had nothing to do with stolen sleds. That was just a lame excuse.
If my sled was stolen I certainly would be against any of my fellow sledders being stopped, detained and generally harrassed in the name of recovering my stolen sled because anything less would be just plain selfish on my part.....besides.....I have to have insurance, right?....I don't want the sled back after some greaseball knuckle dragger has had it.....just give me my insurace money!
Most stolen sleds get chopped into parts.
 
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old abe

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Perhaps to check to see if the registration sticker matches the registration card? And in Illinois, have proof of insurance on that very sled? Just my guess. Yeah, it's a hassle, but it's going to happen. And every once in awhile, they do recover a stolen vehicle! Mine.
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I just want to make sure no one has confused what I had posted. Being close to the Sconny boarder makes it all the more likely to be stopped, and checked. Just the way it is. I have been stopped on both sides of IL/WI boarder over the years. Somewhat like DOT truck scales located close to state boarders. Imo, we sledders have far more issues than the DNR checks. I'm not intending to anger anyone here.
 
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renegade

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mhbouch285 said:
Even with three DNR officers .....still reasonable and without undue delay. Looks like they still doing just their job and within the boundaries of the constitution so no 4th amendment violations. Guess people will just have to deal with it and keep complaining. Hope they are as thorough if they are ever trying to save your life or that of a family member.
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Not the point at all. My question is why have stickers if it isn't good enough to slowly roll through where they are checking. If they are going to check numbers with registration then lets get rid of stickers. I order stickers early to avoid having to stop. This year my son's sled stickers didn't show, we got stopped in the Hurley area. Even with showing papers and his DNR safety certification, we were less then a minute.
 
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tack836

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I was out maybe 3-4 years ago headed out and literally first corner dnr stops me less than a 100 yards from my car. He asks for my info and reach in my tunnel bag and realize I left my ziploc bag with all my stuff in it in the car. I tell them I left my packet in the car and point to my car which I could have hit with a snowball. They inform me it has to be on the sled at all times which I knew and am fine with. I asked if one could follow me over so I could grab it. They say no and write registration and insurance tickets. I was off work at the time so I showed up for court. I watched the judge shake his head and call my name and before I could even stand up he dismissed both tickets. I waited for a few other sledders I was chatting with beforehand and they all got the same treatment. Even the judge is tired of the DNR's crap they are just playing a numbers game and writing as many as they can and seeing what sticks.
 
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