It's not your land-DON'T RIDE ON IT!

craze1cars

New member
I get a kick out of all the GPS statements,a GPS does not tell you if you are on private property.
Yours probably does not. Mine does. Because I purchased the correct software and loaded it on my GPS. It shows clear boundaries of Federal and State property by color. If you're not within the Federal or State background colors, it means you are on private property.
 

attack_06

New member
Thanks so much for the suggestions, our land is not close to the trails so the clubs only assist those in the area of their trails. I hope they'll help out the people out toward Rousseau who
have a crop field planted. They are being ignored big time! ( The trail is on the field adjacent to theirs) We tried signs only, but finally had to go with binder twine with ribbons and "trees planted" signs ("private property" and "no snowmobiling" don't seem to work very well) The problem was we didn't do it on the field by our house! Thanks for all the great info offered to off trail riders by craze1cars. Also, thanks for the sympathetic posts. Can't change the facts but it was "chicken soup for the soul" Thanks, it was just what I needed to move on.....
Thanks ranlam for the offer of help. We usually get our fields set after deer season in Dec. because otherwise our materials will disintegrate from the sun. Thanks also to everyone who respected
our property....hope you enjoy watching our trees growing. A few are even peeking up above the snow but it might be a few years before you see the spruce because they grow so slow. Most others you see are White Pine.
you could get some of those deer hunting cameras that mount on a tree if it can take a picture of a deer day or nite it can for sled too
 

whitedust

Well-known member
I get a kick out of all the GPS statements,a GPS does not tell you if you are on private property.

It depends on your GPS but land changes ownership all the time so always in flux. As far as unplowed FRs you can see if plowed or not & start to depend on hard drive between your ears with simple map as back up. Talking your sled into the trees takes a lot of balls so better know if private or not. I just could not take off thru trees not knowing who owns land it would make me too nervous to enjoy & is plain wrong.
 

qber

New member
sorry that happened to you - no excuse for the knuckledraggers. A fine would be appropriate
 

craze1cars

New member
It depends on your GPS but land changes ownership all the time so always in flux.

Not really true from a snowmobiler's perspective reading maps or GPS.

Because all we need to care about for this issue is the very clear line where public land meets private land. That's it. Land is very rarely is sold by the US Government to private individuals in the U.P. As an example: With very few exceptions, if you are riding Ottawa National Forest land, and utilizing a map that was created back in the 1970's, that map is most likely STILL accurately depicting the boundaries of Ottawa National Forest land today.

There are indeed some exceptions to this, but likely very few...

It is quite obvious that private land changes hands all the time. But it was private then, and it is still private now. Therefore is was, and still is, off limits, and it appears the same to us on both new and old maps. So nothing ever really changes there either from a snowmobiler's perspective.

It's remarkably simple for educated and responsible humans. If someone wants to ride off-trail, just do it on public land where it is legal....there are quite literally millions of acres in the U.P. where this is permitted, and the lines where these areas start and end show very clearly on many maps.
 

polarisrider1

New member
Not really true from a snowmobiler's perspective reading maps or GPS.

Because all we need to care about for this issue is the very clear line where public land meets private land. That's it. Land is very rarely is sold by the US Government to private individuals in the U.P. As an example: With very few exceptions, if you are riding Ottawa National Forest land, and utilizing a map that was created back in the 1970's, that map is most likely STILL accurately depicting the boundaries of Ottawa National Forest land today.

There are indeed some exceptions to this, but likely very few...

It is quite obvious that private land changes hands all the time. But it was private then, and it is still private now. Therefore is was, and still is, off limits, and it appears the same to us on both new and old maps. So nothing ever really changes there either from a snowmobiler's perspective.

It's remarkably simple for educated and responsible humans. If someone wants to ride off-trail, just do it on public land where it is legal....there are quite literally millions of acres in the U.P. where this is permitted, and the lines where these areas start and end show very clearly on many maps.

your 100% correct on this. I have a Lorance GPS I use on my sled, bike and in my truck. It is totally acurate and programable. it even updates itself. added a new interchange that is under construction yesterday. shows streams that are a foot wide, shows wetlands (dark green), shows andnames lakes(in blue), Names Mountains. shows snowmobile trails in Michigan, Ontario, Wyoming, Idaho and Montana. Shows State land and Federal land in two different shades of green, Private land shows in a cream color. Puts down a dotted line of bread crumbs in red to find my way back out. I also use Plat maps for Irons area and Harbor Springs/PetoskeyPellston/Indian River/Wolverine areas. It is all public information.
 

polarisrider1

New member
And then there are the visuals such as Signage, fences, driveways, mailboxes and other clues to use along with maps and GPS. I usually study maps at night for the next day. No sense in getting shot at!
 

Woodtic

Active member
You don't need a GPS or a map in the area that was described . The area just west of Rousseau couldn't look any more private if they tried. Paintball gun with pepper balls.
 

cuzzinolaf

Well-known member
And then there are the visuals such as Signage, fences, driveways, mailboxes and other clues to use along with maps and GPS. I usually study maps at night for the next day. No sense in getting shot at!

There is the ticket. Trespassers will be shot signs along your property lines. :rolleyes:
 

indy_500

Well-known member
Speaking of trespassing this was just posted today on facebook on a companys wall as a guest shot. Even listed the names of all the guys who were there! Gotta love it!
 

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chevytaHOE5674

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Wonder how many years it will be before that section of trail gets shut down. They tried signs, now have a chain link fence up to keep people off that hillside and still people feel the need to tear it up.
 

Dave_B

Active member
Speaking of trespassing this was just posted today on facebook on a companys wall as a guest shot. Even listed the names of all the guys who were there! Gotta love it!

Scott

Please pm or email the link to this. Our club is responsible for this section of trail and, needless to say, we've had issues there in the past. If a complaint is made, this information could be usefull. Just put up a nice new fence, don't want to lose that section. It's been threatened before.

Dave

drb756@sbcglobal.net
 

arcticgeorge

New member
I had some friends from Illinois come up and yeah they were the "Ricky racer" type stand riding, back packs, ski doos, 100 miles an hour in twisty unfamilar trails at night, and lotsa riding off trail when they had a chance. I said to them " you guys are what people complain about on Johndee" they laughed.
 

attack_06

New member
I had some friends from Illinois come up and yeah they were the "Ricky racer" type stand riding, back packs, ski doos, 100 miles an hour in twisty unfamilar trails at night, and lotsa riding off trail when they had a chance. I said to them " you guys are what people complain about on Johndee" they laughed.

dont invite them anymore then call their regis numbers in to the dnr bet they won't be laughing then
 

indy_500

Well-known member
Scott

Please pm or email the link to this. Our club is responsible for this section of trail and, needless to say, we've had issues there in the past. If a complaint is made, this information could be usefull. Just put up a nice new fence, don't want to lose that section. It's been threatened before.

Dave

drb756@sbcglobal.net

Email Sent!
 

indy_500

Well-known member
Someone replied to the picture on facebook: "Yea that looks like military hill were they put fence up to keep people off the hill" What KILLS ME is the guy who posted the picture liked the comment. I feel ashamed to be a snowmobiler right now....
 
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