LCD vs Plasma - New TV Help

m8man

Moderator
Well my 5 yr old Samsung rear projection TV is making some funky noises and I want to buy a new one and put this one and put the old one in the man area.. I'm looking at a 46-52 inch size TV and I'm not in to all that new tech stuff but just want a good picture..I currently have sat. tv and am going to go with high def in the spring when they can put a new dish up and "not mount" to my roof..

Plasma's and LCD's are both a solid upgrade but I don't know which to get...I'd like to keep it under $1500 or so and I love watching sports and stuff...We do not play a ton of games on the TV but we have a Wii system..I see things about 60Hz and 120Hz and even 240Hz..

I don't need the best of the best but would like something good..I've searched Walmart and Best Buy and they both have a bunch of selections...

Any recommendations for a good TV without buying a ton of not needed stuff or being upsold by a salesperson??

m8man
 

thunderstruck88

New member
hate to through another one in the mix but there is a LED TV out there that is a cut above the plasma and the LCD . Only problem is it's pricey. My husband and I are waiting for the price to come down on that one then we are going to get it . Good luck with what ever you decide on. Can you believe once upon a time we had to get up to change the channel and got very few lol Also black and white also to lol Then was the days . Also I think TV programming was much better then to . Kids could watch TV and parents could be safe in letting them watch it !!!!!!
 

Admin

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Staff member
I just did a ton of research because I wanted to upgrade from tube to flat panel. Main difference between plasma and LCD is you start to lose the ability to view from an angle. However, you can still see the picture at angles greater than 45 degrees, so unless you plan to sit way off to the side of the set, you will be able to view the picture. Upside to LCD is it uses slightly less power than plasma. Downside to plasma is slightly higher energy costs/heat produced by the set and also if you end up watching a lot of the same channels and they have the annoying little bug at the bottom of the screen, then you can actually burn that image into the screen of the plasma. One final upside is that plasma will give you a slightly better picture in higher light settings in the room the set is in.

LED really is the cream of the crop right now. Very well defined picture with it's contrast ratios (truest blacks). Plus they are only about 2 inches thick and use much less energy than LCD or Plasma, but you can't touch one for less than about $1500 right now. A 46" LED will run close to 2k.

Here is a little tidbit about broadcast "hi-def". Most stations only broadcast at 720p. There are a handful that broadcast at 1080i and unless you have dish network and are able to get the handful of stations they broadcast at 1080p, then all the hype about 1080p resolution in a tv set is just that- hype because no signal out there is even at that resolution. We have the "hi-def" box from Direct TV and did notice an improvement in the quality of the picture, but that was seen when the new box arrived and was hooked up to the tube TV and not when we switched to the new 1080p LCD.

I have no idea if broadcast TV has any plans to go to 1080p anytime soon and most flat panels are 1080p anyway, so my whole beef about hyping it is probably a mute point now, but I just found it funny how 1080p was such a big hyping point for TV sellers and almost none of the signals broadcasted were at that level. Sort of like when digital cameras were hyping "digital zoom".

The deal with the frequency of the refresh of the TV (60 Hz, 120 Hz and 240 Hz) is that most American movies are shot at frame rates of 24/second. So a TV that has a refresh rate that is divisible by 24 (120/240) will match up perfectly with the frame rate that the footage was shot in. That is suppose to give you a better picture. I'd say that most folks would probably not notice the difference so it is not worth paying extra for, but a lot of the newer sets are running at 120 Hz. I don't think there is an improvement from 120 to 240. Probably just another way to get you to spend more.

Now, where you will see the difference in 1080p is BlueRay. Holy Crap! I bought a BlueRay player the same day I bought the new LCD. I also picked up a few BlueRay DVD's. The only one I have watched so far is Planet Earth, but man-o-man, what an awesome picture. For those that are prone to motion sickness, some of the fly-over shots in that DVD will get you to need a barf bag! The picture is so clear it almost looks 3D. So the BlueRay DVD player was probably the best investment of the whole bunch. Can't wait to run through the Band of Brothers set in BlueRay I got as well.

Hope this helps. You want to stop by and check the setup out Chris, drop me a line.

-John
 

whitedust

Well-known member
John pretty much nailed it. Plasma can be 3x more energy than LCD & does produce heat so in FL not a good choice in WI or UPMI the heat can be benefical. Plasma will give you a lot more reflection so not good viewing for rooms with back lighting or outside glare or bright room. 46-52 inch size is right on & in a decent price zone for LCD. Buy the 1080p spec & wait for broadcast to catch up & 120HZ is a good refresh rate & you don't need more with current tech. LCD is thiner & lighter if important to you. From what I'm seeing at Walmart looks like LCD won the war....not many Plasma sets on display. If I was buying I would purchase a 46" or 48" LCD probably a Sony but LG & others good too. The Weather Channel knocks my socks off on my Sony digital 40" 1080p 120HZ so very clear. Letterman & Leno shows also very well done. Digital is here but you will receive a hodge podge of formats on sat. tv until everything is produced in digital format. Shop around & get a good price once you hone in on what you want. I have found Best Buy is NOT the Best BUY so check around. I saved $200 at Sam's Club compared to Best Buy same set. Good luck & enjoy that new digital TV. :>)
 

eagle1

Well-known member
What is even worse when trying to compare prices is everybody makes so many models for different stores. We've been looking at Samsung lcd's,Best Buy had one $500 cheaper but if you read the fine print it has a lower contrast ratio. Just makes your head spin.

Seems Plasma is on the way out even though they say it has a better picture. I really like the new led T.V.'s, just trying to justify there price. Anybody know how much power they use compared to regular lcd? I guess that's what I need to find out before making my final decision, good luck with yours.

Oh yeah, if anybody wants a 280lb 35" Sony Trinitron bring your back brace and pm me for my address. :)
 
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jimfsr

New member
My suggestion, go to the store find what you like, wright it down, then go to Crutchfield.com, check for any bonus deals and order it. some larger sizes will include installation and setup. I ordered mine and got a free 200$ wall mount and wire tags, installation instructions and connection wire. Their tech assistance is great. I have purchased several items there and have never been disappointed. Check online for customer reviews of different brands too, you can learn a lot about how reliable a brand is. I went with Toshiba, based on reviews and there are 2 service centers in my town, they will come to my house to repair it if needed. Most brands you will need to send it to the manufacturer, and could be weeks before it comes back.
 

m8man

Moderator
Thanks a bunch, I know all the info is confusing... I've often thought about just going to a few stores look at em while the tv is on and buy the one I like the best...One thing I am going to do is to measure the distance from my tv to my "spot" the go to the stores and measure the same and scope out the picture... I think we will updgrade to a BluRay DVD set up and we have DirecTV now and are considering going to Dish Network in the spring.. I've looked at Samsung and some Vizio brands also...I'm not sure but I'd like to buy in person.. I will consider the LED but the LCD is more in my budget..

m8man
 

yamahauler

Active member
Depending on type of LED, depends on power consumption from what I have read. Edge lit LED uses the least, then LCD then local dimming LED. I also read a little about an OLED but don't know much about it other than it stands for Organic LED and emits light from each single bulb.

The local dimming LED uses about the same power as a plasma.

The other things I have read is for tv's <42" go with LCD and >42" go with Plasma.

It is amazing how much heat comes from a plasma though.

Oh ya..LED still are too expensive IMO so LCD is a much better deal.

Costco gives a 2-year warranty on all electronics...even if you drop it off the back of the truck they will take it back and give you a new one.
 

sabercat

Member
You should check Sears. They have a huge selection, maybe better than Best Buy. They have the same or better price and give out bonuses! (At least they were around the holidays)
 

dwz

Active member
m8man, just bought 3 LCD tv's from Best Buy in the past month, 46inch for showroom at work and 2-42inch sets, 1 for my home and 1 for my parents. The brand I selected was Isignia because of 2 year warranty and they were Consumer Reports top ranked models in 42 and 46 inch LCD tv's. After only using them for a few week's I am very happy with picture and sound quality. Paid $650.00 for 42 inch and $899.00 for 46 inch and those were not sale prices. Hope this helps, from someone who knows very little about electronics and is thrilled if I am able to just to turn them on and off without help from my kids! Dan
 

snow_monkey

New member
I have a samsung lcd I purchases 1 year ago for about 1200 same tv now around 800 1080 ect. ect. I love this tv, at the time it was a best pick for 44's. I also was told plasma's were not good for cabins because they can be damaged if they freeze.
 

Paul

Board Admin
I just purchased a new TV after my last one failed. I was told by a repair tech that LED was a very good picture, probably the best, however he said the benefit over LED or Plasma is not that great and most people would never notice it. I was also told that the LED Tv's are very fragile and if you have kids are a bad idea, if the screen ever gets bumped it could break. I ended up with a Plasma again went with the samsung, it is just like the LED as far as Depth, only about 1" thick, can hook a network cable into it.

Paul
 

winterwarlock

Active member
Another consideration...

I have noticed that a lot of the "wide screen" tv's (whether they are LED, LCD or plasma) have a stretched appearance to the picture and not a "true to size" appearance. Has anyone else noticed this? It looks like people on the screen are short and squatty and I have noticed this with cheaper models and expensive models. The resolution is awesome but the picture itself seems to be stretched...any thoughts?
 

harvest1121

Well-known member
I bought my 50 in panasonic plasma 4 years ago for $3400. I have a 42 in panssonic for the bedroom cost $1200. What I did is look for the tv you want and did alot of research. I ordered over the internet when I found the one I wanted. Bestbuy does have good prices on some tvs but usually they are missing something. My nieghbor just bought a 58 panasonic plasma and I think it was like $2200. I think it was a 850 series. Just get what you want and see what price you get on the internet. The panasonic Vera line is very nice also.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
I have noticed that a lot of the "wide screen" tv's (whether they are LED, LCD or plasma) have a stretched appearance to the picture and not a "true to size" appearance. Has anyone else noticed this? It looks like people on the screen are short and squatty and I have noticed this with cheaper models and expensive models. The resolution is awesome but the picture itself seems to be stretched...any thoughts?

Not receiveing digital signal will do that or TV internal set up is wrong try crop setting. True digital picture reproduction is awesome.
 

Paul

Board Admin
I have noticed that a lot of the "wide screen" tv's (whether they are LED, LCD or plasma) have a stretched appearance to the picture and not a "true to size" appearance. Has anyone else noticed this? It looks like people on the screen are short and squatty and I have noticed this with cheaper models and expensive models. The resolution is awesome but the picture itself seems to be stretched...any thoughts?

You can set the TV to either fill the screen or display what is being broadcast. There are a lot of stations that say they are HD, however they aren't true HD. They screw with the way the picture is displayed. With any HD tv I have ever used you can either set it to fill the screen, so it is going to fill the screen reguardless of what is being sent to it. It will make 4x3 fill the screen which will then look stretched, a picture displayed in true HD will look normal. You can also set the tv to display in the correct aspect ratio, so when it is being sent to the tv in 4x3 you will have grey bars on both sides of the picture. Really just your preference on how you want it set.
 

CowboyUp

New member
my gfs dad just got a new plasma for christmas, apparently on the LCDs the screen can be messed up if they are touched or hit pretty easily. I have a plasma too and like it a lot... the only other i would say is that the new LEDs are top notch and they will be the most pricey but best picture
 
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