MI drunk driving law.

polarisrider1

New member
I stopped by the club tonight for dinner and all the head honchos were talking. They had just came from a meeting with a state spokesperson of sorts. I guess the state of Michigan is kicking around the idea of lowering the level for a Drunk Driving DUI to .05 Currently it is .08 and used to be .10

State averages around $10,000 per DUI on average so the bill board by my house states.

So I am asking you Bar owners in here, What have you heard?

I currently build in a Cab ride into my night out experience but not all of you have cabs available.
 

snoluver1

Active member
.05 would be pretty extreme. For cripe sakes, you couldn't even take your wife out for dinner and have a glass of wine without being legally drunk!
 

ezra

Well-known member
there are really no cabs around my house.
I dont go to bars any more just not worth it.
really dont miss it at all.
it is a amazing I never got a DUI in my younger days. I still let guys drink in my truck but I dont have more than 1.
I do miss the days of the cops telling u to go straight home. like that would happen with today's SS roaming the streets

it is all part of the progressive nanny state movement and zero tolerance is the end game
 

Firecatguy

New member
Welcome to A CDL carying Drivers world....on and off work is .4 I belive if someone spills a drink on my shoe that would get me to .4
 

Cat600

Member
Weren't they working on a national .05 or something?

I know they were for Wisconsin, but they kinda stopped because there was no difference between someone who was completely sober and someone who did have a .05. Eye Movements were the same, they had balance, basically someone could easily pass a field sobriety test at .05, but only fail cause they blew a .05. And also how could you pull someone over, cause .05 had no difference between a sober driver driving.

So I'm sure there would be lots of lawsuits for harassment and such against the cops.
 

ezra

Well-known member
Weren't they working on a national .05 or something?


So I'm sure there would be lots of lawsuits for harassment and such against the cops.
One cold only hope. I would 4 sure spend the money to sue them and have them put on administrative leave or better yet fired if not there 1 time .
They dont have to play the game but if they chose to I would 4 sure go all in and many others would to
 

anonomoose

New member
For those who drink and need a law on the books to determine whether they are "capable" of driving home and making it, read on.....

This was taken from a blog website in Canada where some provinces have lowered the bac to .05 but with less harsh consequences when caught doing so....

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As you all know, I've been pretty critical of BC's new DUI laws, with penalties starting at the warn limits of .05, so I decided to buy a breathalyzer, ask a couple of friends to join in a drinking experiment, found a DD and went off to drink and test.


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A few days before we started, I wanted to see how repeatable the results were. The manual stated that you should wait 20 mins before blowing, and sure enough, after 1 sip and drinking right away, I registered a 0.150. After 10 mins, it dropped back down to a "proper" 0.01. We found that if we drank water or ate a clean ice cube after a sip, we can get consistent results. This was important, as we did not want to wait 10 mins per test throughout the night, which lasted around 6 hours.

There were 4 of us that went through the experiment (with a 5th surprise test in the morning).

Subject #1 was myself. 6'2", 190lbs, and a regular drinker. I can handle my alcohol pretty good.

Subject #2 was Mibz, 180lbs.

Subject #3 was kenny, 180lbs.

Subject #4 was my assistant, she's 90lbs.

Well, let's start off with my assistant. She started off with a Smirnoff Ice, and after that was done, immediately registered a 0.06, which qualifies for a warn. When asked if she could drive, she said there was no way. After her second drink (another Smirnoff Ice), she registered a whopping 0.13 and was walking into walls. By her 3rd drink which she couldn't complete, she blew a 0.16. That's 2 and a quarter drinks.

kenny's an occasional drinker and can handle his alcohol pretty well. He went through the night with about 10 drinks (vodka highballs) and registered a high of 0.02. At the highest BAC point, he questioned his ability to drive, thought he would definately blow a warning, and was surprised he was able to legally operate a motor vehicle.

Mibz had about 8 drinks (vodka highballs) over the course of the night, and at the point he felt that he couldn't drive, he blew a 0.02. His highest point was a 0.04, so in the eyes of the law, he was able to drive.

I had about 20 or 22 drinks (vodka highballs) over the course of the evening, and when I first started feeling tipsy, I blew a 0.01. At my peak, where I had about 6 or 7 drinks in an hour, I felt that it was definately past the 0.08 legal limit and would not have driven a car. I blew a 0.05, barely registering a warn. An hour after I stopped drinking, I dropped down to a 0.03.

Finally, the surprise subject, who had roughly 15 drinks, stopped drinking at 1am, puked throughout the night and woke up at 1am to try the breathalyzer out. The results? 0.02, a full 12 hours after drinking. He's a big guy, 220-230lbs.

Conclusion? Everyone processes alcohol at different rates, and the legal guide of how many drinks you should have per hour is in no way accurate. Following the guide, I would've been completely sober, and my assistant would've been thrown in jail. The BAC level corresponds fairly well to how "buzzed" we felt, and is a fairly good representation of a person's ability to operate a motor vehicle.

With that being said, I now believe the 0.08 legal limit is way too high, and agree with the more agressive targets of 0.05 for a mandatory 24 hour suspension. In fact, nobody should be driving past that point. I felt my reaction time was definately diminished at 0.05 and would make the difference between a close call and an accident in an emergency maneuver scenario.
 

snobuilder

Well-known member
are you sure you weren't too drunk to realize the decimal point was one space to the right?...either that or your breathalyzer was off IMO.

20-22 drinks and only a .05...do you think that was accurate?
 

polarisrider1

New member
If I drank 20-22 diet cokes a night it would do me in.
I suspect they watered them down to water.
Anyways, point is, .05 is a breath mint. The zero tolerance is going to zero. I do and don't support this. My view as seen thru the publics eyes: I do not want any drunks on the road coming at me or my family....... but hey, I do need to get home when the room starts spinning??????? It's gunna be one way or the other, but jail is the other. Just keep in mind, in a crash the drunk lives and the others die. Statistics show this.

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Another view from the State of Michigans side, " the voters will love us! we are saving lives and taxing (fines) the drunken idiots!"
 

renegade

Active member
20-22 drinks being a lot in a night depends on when the night started and ended. As far as the BAC is concered anyway.
 

united

Active member
The above breathalyzer results do not seem accurate to me. Breathalyzers need to be re-calibrated from time to time. I would suggest that the breathalyzer used was not calibrated properly. Send it back to the manufacturer for re-calibration. On the next experiment use several breathalyzers to confirm the results.

Regarding the .05, I believe in WI (I know it says MI) there are already laws on the books for this. OWI is operating while intoxicated which is .08 (drunk) or greater. DUI or OUI is driving or operating under the influence and is .079 and lower or under the influence of other substances. So there is already a law on the books for .05 to .079 (or even lower depending on the circumstance) I believe, at least in WI.
 

anonomoose

New member
are you sure you weren't too drunk to realize the decimal point was one space to the right?...either that or your breathalyzer was off IMO.

20-22 drinks and only a .05...do you think that was accurate?

While I did not edit the blog, it did seem that there should have been two machines to compare the results and I know that I would have been sick as a dog after trying to consume 20-22 drinks (shouldn't that have been exact??) and still able to walk.....guess this guy was quite accurate when he said he could "hold his drinks".

He should have been on the floor even if he weighs 400 lbs. Let's just say that if he headed out on the road, I would not want to meet him in oncoming traffic regardless of what the breath machine said....
 

blkhwkbob

Active member
Welcome to A CDL carying Drivers world....on and off work is .4 I belive if someone spills a drink on my shoe that would get me to .4
I have an Illinois CDL (air brakes only) and the .04 only applies when driving a commercial vehicle. Double check your laws before you cop to something that you shouldn't!
 
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Team Elkhorn

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Welcome to A CDL carying Drivers world....on and off work is .4 I belive if someone spills a drink on my shoe that would get me to .4

I have an Illinois CDL (air brakes only) and the .04 only applies when driving a commercial vehicle. Double check your laws before you cop to something that you shouldn't!
Six of one, half a dozen of another. Dont get me started on how a person with a CDL waves many of his rights. Portable scales, random roadside inspections, etc. Why are they picking on people trying to earn a living rather than targeting serous law offenders? Its all about $. After spending most of an hour at a portable scale/inspection last week, and having to point out the fact they misread the date on my medical card, all they could do was give me a warning because one of the bulbs in a two light marker light was burned out. They made it seem like they were doing me a huge favor letting that go with a warning. What's the definition of illegal search and seizure?:mad:
 

POLARISDAN

New member
guarantee that calibration was off..180 lbs 3 drinks first hour..one per hour after to stay under .08..aint no way u were blowing .02..20-22 drinks in 6 hours? u die at .38 and would be awful close
 
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