More Trespassing Issues, Tomahawk Area

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whitedust

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Tim in Indiana said:
This is very true. Up until recently I was on a board up here that consisted of mostly silent sports people. It wasn't that way when I originally agreed to be on the board but it had changed quite a bit in the last ten years.

It got to a point where a major portion of every board meeting was spent complaining about or working against motorized sports. Anti-wakeboat, no ATV's, no sleds, even no motor lakes, etc. The other members came with internet based examples of bad behavior every meeting. Almost all were based in facts but they were very hyped up.

Most of these people would not accept any alternate opinions, they were absolutely certain they were correct. The final straw for me came on a subject I had first hand knowledge of and had witnessed the so called offenses. The others were all working off internet posts or third party accounts and had built the story up to a point where there was hardly any truth left. After fighting through this I had enough and resigned from the board.

This example is really nothing different from how everything else works today. But we do need to be aware that there are very organized and well funded groups that are working hard to eliminate ALL motorized sports in the the Northwoods of Wisconsin and the UP.
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Wake boats are the huge target up north unrealistic lake use acreage and water depth is what the DNR is ready to base their use limits on. Fortunately that boat has sailed in southern WI boat density it is what it is in southern WI no boat use based on depth or lake size is going to fly here. Northern WI is a different world like 2 different Wisconsins.
 
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Tim in Indiana

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Yes it is, and getting worse every year. I anticipate smaller lakes will see the wake boat ban soon, probably some this summer being implemented on a town level. They will do it by using an expanded no wake zone. Instead of the commonly accepted 200 foot from shore limit they will increase it to 800-1,500 feet and it will remove any open area to operate a wake boat.

This will only make the problem worse on the remaining larger lakes as all the boats that wish to continue operating will be forced onto these few lakes.
 
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dfattack

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goofy600 said:
Agree completely, but right now I have a neighbor that is having problem with a different neighbor of him crossing his property and there is nothing that can really be done unless he can convince the police to sit and wait for them to do something. This is where it is a law problem because they won’t take landowners proof, but states can use traffic cameras to issue tickets, so blame it on the laws and not even on the police. And then if a landowner were to take matters into their own hands then they will be in trouble.
This was added before reading a few other posts like Old Abe’s which is what my thoughts are very much a pain in the backside.
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so video from trail cams is not considered proof if the police didn't see it happen in real time? I'm asking because I don't know. Not because I question your post.
 
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goofy600

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dfattack said:
so video from trail cams is not considered proof if the police didn't see it happen in real time? I'm asking because I don't know. Not because I question your post.
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So not really sure but sure seems a lot harder for the landowner than it should be and way easier for trespasser to not get in trouble. Different neighbor actually had law suit against as guy that is bothering this neighbor and got out of it because the guy suing passed away before it was settled. My point was more that it shouldn’t be that hard to get trespassers ticketed.
 
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euphoric1

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attakman said:
I hated even posting anything...because it gives our sport a black eye, and honestly the people who hate snowmobiling (and there are more and more of them moving up north every year),like to just use info like this against us..make no mistake, they troll facebook, and sites like this to look for dumb things snowmobiler's do..it's ammunition....unfortunately I've dealt with quite a few dumb arses in our sport. BTW...the loud pipe complains are rolling in as well..smh
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unfortunately, if you don't post anything...then what? it's kind of like turning a blind eye to it, just as the people doing the trespassing or going off marked trails do to the signs and rules that are put in place to prevent it from happening in the first place, let's not forget the biggest reason not to trespass in the first place and that's...RESPECT, yes...respect for something that isn't ours to do with what we please. And as no surprise when pclark stated the response he got while confronting the violators, it should really be no surprise that he was confronted from the violators themselves with hostility. Then you have those who say big deal, the landowners really don't mind or it's such a short window of opportunity to ride. I just don't understand every time I see it, ITS NOT THAT HARD!! ignoring it won't solve anything either.
 
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Go Fast or Go Home

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indy_500 said:
As much as it infuriates me as well, I think you guys are missing the fact that the police and DNR are not the “snowmobile association police”. They are not out there to fight to keep our trail system open and landowners happy and allowing trails to run across their property. As long as the trespassing isn’t being done with intent to damage property or steal something, to them, it is no different than an ATV cutting across someone’s hunting land to access a road, therefore not making it very high priority. We are our own worst enemy and Snowmobilers must police ourselves to keep the sport afloat.
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Part of your snowmoblile registration and trail permit fees are allocated to Law Enforcement and the DNR. SO YES-- They Do Bear Responsibility for enforcing trespassing and other violations.

As I pointed out in my earlier thread, this should not just be to sit at busy intersections at peak times and hand out stop sign violations as an additional revenue source.

Don~
 
pclark

pclark

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Tim in Indiana said:
This is very true. Up until recently I was on a board up here that consisted of mostly silent sports people. It wasn't that way when I originally agreed to be on the board but it had changed quite a bit in the last ten years.

It got to a point where a major portion of every board meeting was spent complaining about or working against motorized sports. Anti-wakeboat, no ATV's, no sleds, even no motor lakes, etc. The other members came with internet based examples of bad behavior every meeting. Almost all were based in facts but they were very hyped up.

Most of these people would not accept any alternate opinions, they were absolutely certain they were correct. The final straw for me came on a subject I had first hand knowledge of and had witnessed the so called offenses. The others were all working off internet posts or third party accounts and had built the story up to a point where there was hardly any truth left. After fighting through this I had enough and resigned from the board.

This example is really nothing different from how everything else works today. But we do need to be aware that there are very organized and well funded groups that are working hard to eliminate ALL motorized sports in the the Northwoods of Wisconsin and the UP.
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Tim, you are spot on, as has been said before it's most likely not people that frequent this forum but people who just don't have any regard/respect for private property. Some day we will lose key trails because of these losers and won't be able to get them back. Another issue is that we need more younger people in the clubs so they understand that it's their future so they get more involved in relationships with landowners.
 
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old abe

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Go Fast or Go Home said:
Part of your snowmoblile registration and trail permit fees are allocated to Law Enforcement and the DNR. SO YES-- They Do Bear Responsibility for enforcing trespassing and other violations.

As I pointed out in my earlier thread, this should not just be to sit at busy intersections at peak times and hand out stop sign violations as an additional revenue source.

Don~
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Absolutely, for sure!
 
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old abe

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whitedust said:
My experience is on trail discussions don’t go well especially when outnumbered 7 -8 to 1. Nobody wants to hear it it’s a you do you and I’ll do me attitude go away. I don’t enter into those discussions anymore just not worth it.
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And whitedust, perhaps risk being shot too?
 
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attakman

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lol...I don't ride with guns, nor GPS....but I'm old and sure as heck don't need to start scrapping with some 20 something year olds at my age...I could handle my own back in the day...but now I'm just an old fart, that would probably keel over...lol...I might take a couple of them out..but that would be it
 
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whitedust

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My view is I’m out there to have fun not to police others that don’t want to hear from a boomer. Trespassers don’t respect the law and ain’t going to listen to me. They need to learn on their own. What and how is the question????
 
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