MTB'ers on the Trails= Legal

In the back of my mind, I was thinking along the line of more $'s for grooming. Without the snowmobile clubs snow-bikers and hikers wouldn't be on the trails. They need to be groomed to be useable for them.

The Cal-Haven trail in the lower comes to mind. Wide, Flat, and Straight. I passed a few dozen people out walking and biking mid week and while I was the only sledhead out that day. Well marked at each crossing that it is a multi-use trail.
Working with these other groups could be a benefit on the multi use trails. I'm not advocating that I want bikes allowed on all trails. But If we're not all aware which trails are multi-use, there could be accidents.
 

pinestump

Member
Gol dern it you caught me...Yep I thought it was about that until I told a buddy about this thread and he had me pull my head out....Thanks JD for the edit deal
 

harvest1121

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Its actually nicer then most for a decent one you will be about $1100 I think this one was suppose to sell for about $2100. Its just like snowmobiles you can spend what ever you want. One tire is over $100 retail but I am a dealer so its like anything else just a bike.
 

SledTL

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Its actually nicer then most for a decent one you will be about $1100 I think this one was suppose to sell for about $2100. Its just like snowmobiles you can spend what ever you want. One tire is over $100 retail but I am a dealer so its like anything else just a bike.

The bikes don't skimp on components. I really dig them and would have one in a heart beat if they weren't so much. I just bought a road bike for about a grand last summer so my bike habits have to go on hold for now haha.
 

whitedust

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Its actually nicer then most for a decent one you will be about $1100 I think this one was suppose to sell for about $2100. Its just like snowmobiles you can spend what ever you want. One tire is over $100 retail but I am a dealer so its like anything else just a bike.

How do these do on Florida sand? That might be fun.:)
 

kwikgren

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There definitely needs to be a law prohibiting pedestrians, cross country skiers & bicyclists on the groomed snowmobile trail. I've been caught by surprise with people walking their dogs as well as skiing on the snowmobile trail. This creates an unwanted hazard for all involved, not good! As PR1 stated, It would kill me if I were to hit someone or their dog. Perhaps this will lead to additional signage in order to legally advise the general public due to the fact that the general public does not read trail laws. -Mezz

Safety should be a concern everywhere you ride, whether it be a snowmachine, car, truck, ATV, bike, or even on skis. You always have to be careful, another machine can come flying around the corner, there could be a fallen log or boulder, someone could be walking or even sitting down after an accident or break down, a large animal could jump out in front of you, logging equipment could pull out, etc, etc. Yes, accidents still happen, but that shouldn't stop you from getting out and having fun. You should never assume that just because you are on a trail or road that you can go carelessly blazing along without concern for others that could be out there for whatever reason. Speed and alcohol can greatly increase these risks which is why we have a few laws and common sense. Sadly, there are times when even snowmobilers are afraid to be out on the trails let alone anyone on foot because of the drunken mayhem (like 2:00AM New Years Day).

People are riding snowmachines and ATVs all over up here now, and not just on specific trails. So if safety is a such a big concern then people need to ride only on the marked trails and nowhere else. I don't see that happening anytime soon. People that own private property sometimes choose to exclude other users if they have the legal right to do so (ski areas for example). Snowmobile trails that are on purchased or leased land without other landowner easements existing might also have those exclusive rights. But many snowmobile trails up here are on County Roads (Brockway Mountain for example), and other roads that cross and are used to access private property (owned by people like me who pay full taxes), and some cross areas of Commercial Forest Reserve (access guaranteed by law for hunting and fishing in return for reduced taxes). Not everyone rides a snowmachine that has legal access to this property, so people might be travelling these corridors by other means. Most of us are friendly unless threatened or disrespected, and safety hopefully shouldn't be an issue. More laws are not what we really need. More common sense and courtesy (on both sides) is what we really need.

As far as wheel vehicles go, if they are damaging the groomed trail they should stay off. Nor should snowmachines spin out tearing up the trail or creating "push piles". Good luck with that! I, myself, do not own a snow bike nor do I dog sled. I do occasionally ski or walk (with great discretion) on some of the aforementioned routes and have been doing so (legally as far as I know) for over 30 years.
 
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whitedust

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Safety should be a concern everywhere you ride, whether it be a snowmachine, car, truck, ATV, bike, or even on skis. You always have to be careful, another machine can come flying around the corner, there could be a fallen log or boulder, someone could be walking or even sitting down after an accident or break down, a large animal could jump out in front of you, logging equipment could pull out, etc, etc. Yes, accidents still happen, but that shouldn't stop you from getting out and having fun. You should never assume that just because you are on a trail or road that you can go carelessly blazing along without concern for others that could be out there for whatever reason. Speed and alcohol can greatly increase these risks which is why we have a few laws and common sense. Sadly, there are times when even snowmobilers are afraid to be out on the trails let alone anyone on foot because of the drunken mayhem (like 2:00AM New Years Day).

People are riding snowmachines and ATVs all over up here now, and not just on specific trails. So if safety is a such a big concern then people need to ride only on the marked trails and nowhere else. I don't see that happening anytime soon. People that own private property sometimes choose to exclude other users if they have the legal right to do so (ski areas for example). Snowmobile trails that are on purchased or leased land without other landowner easements existing might also have those exclusive rights. But many snowmobile trails up here are on County Roads (Brockway Mountain for example), and other roads that cross and are used to access private property (owned by people like me who pay full taxes), and some cross areas of Commercial Forest Reserve (access guaranteed by law for hunting and fishing in return for reduced taxes). Not everyone rides a snowmachine that has legal access to this property, so people might be travelling these corridors by other means. Most of us are friendly unless threatened or disrespected, and safety hopefully shouldn't be an issue. More laws are not what we really need. More common sense and courtesy (on both sides) is what we really need.

As far as wheel vehicles go, if they are damaging the groomed trail they should stay off. Nor should snowmachines spin out tearing up the trail or creating "push piles". Good luck with that! I, myself, do not own a snow bike nor do I dog sled. I do occasionally ski or walk (with great discretion) on some of the aforementioned routes and have been doing so (legally as far as I know) for over 30 years.

YIKES!!! Who are you the "FUN POLICE"? Take a chill pill many of us xcountry ski, ice skate ,hike whatever & are respectful of others. Not sure what set you off just saying don't lump all snowmobilers as unsafe. geezz........
 

kwikgren

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YIKES!!! Who are you the "FUN POLICE"? Take a chill pill many of us xcountry ski, ice skate ,hike whatever & are respectful of others. Not sure what set you off just saying don't lump all snowmobilers as unsafe. geezz........
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I'm not even the "dream police"! Most of the snowmobilers I run into are safe and many are also courteous. But when someone tells me they think we need a law that prevents me from skiing or walking on my own land, I tend to lose it. I realize that when we allow snowmachine trails to cross our land, a lot of people assume that it becomes their exclusive trail, but that is not always the case. I also understand once these trails allow endorsed motor sport recreation, there are additional risks to all involved. That is why I won't take a dog on the designated snowmobile trail because they don't understand the danger and could react inappropriately. But I refuse to be locked out of areas I have legal right to just because these motor trails are here for the pleasure of the tourists.
 

whitedust

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I'm not even the "dream police"! Most of the snowmobilers I run into are safe and many are also courteous. But when someone tells me they think we need a law that prevents me from skiing or walking on my own land, I tend to lose it. I realize that when we allow snowmachine trails to cross our land, a lot of people assume that it becomes their exclusive trail, but that is not always the case. I also understand once these trails allow endorsed motor sport recreation, there are additional risks to all involved. That is why I won't take a dog on the designated snowmobile trail because they don't understand the danger and could react inappropriately. But I refuse to be locked out of areas I have legal right to just because these motor trails are here for the pleasure of the tourists.

I didn 't interpret any the posts for you not to use your land anyway you wanted. No one wants that.... the question in my mind is will we have to deal with fat bikes & snomobiles on the same groomed trail & if so how will it be managed?
 

catalac

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I'm not even the "dream police"! Most of the snowmobilers I run into are safe and many are also courteous. But when someone tells me they think we need a law that prevents me from skiing or walking on my own land, I tend to lose it. I realize that when we allow snowmachine trails to cross our land, a lot of people assume that it becomes their exclusive trail, but that is not always the case. I also understand once these trails allow endorsed motor sport recreation, there are additional risks to all involved. That is why I won't take a dog on the designated snowmobile trail because they don't understand the danger and could react inappropriately. But I refuse to be locked out of areas I have legal right to just because these motor trails are here for the pleasure of the tourists.
I don't mind the people using the snowmobile trail for other types of recreation, but they have to realize these trails are like freeways and not gravel roads. Coming around a corner to see people two or three abreast is not fun. Then they look at us like we are doing something wrong. I just don't want to smear somebody all over the trail.
 

harvest1121

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I like the bikes and ride them but would not be on winding trail in Wisconsin. Its just too dangerous for the biker and the person driving the snowmobile. I am all for making the bikes have to pay a fee to use the trails like the snowmobiles do.
 

mezz

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Safety should be a concern everywhere you ride, whether it be a snowmachine, car, truck, ATV, bike, or even on skis. You always have to be careful, another machine can come flying around the corner, there could be a fallen log or boulder, someone could be walking or even sitting down after an accident or break down, a large animal could jump out in front of you, logging equipment could pull out, etc, etc. Yes, accidents still happen, but that shouldn't stop you from getting out and having fun. You should never assume that just because you are on a trail or road that you can go carelessly blazing along without concern for others that could be out there for whatever reason. Speed and alcohol can greatly increase these risks which is why we have a few laws and common sense. Sadly, there are times when even snowmobilers are afraid to be out on the trails let alone anyone on foot because of the drunken mayhem (like 2:00AM New Years Day).

People are riding snowmachines and ATVs all over up here now, and not just on specific trails. So if safety is a such a big concern then people need to ride only on the marked trails and nowhere else. I don't see that happening anytime soon. People that own private property sometimes choose to exclude other users if they have the legal right to do so (ski areas for example). Snowmobile trails that are on purchased or leased land without other landowner easements existing might also have those exclusive rights. But many snowmobile trails up here are on County Roads (Brockway Mountain for example), and other roads that cross and are used to access private property (owned by people like me who pay full taxes), and some cross areas of Commercial Forest Reserve (access guaranteed by law for hunting and fishing in return for reduced taxes). Not everyone rides a snowmachine that has legal access to this property, so people might be travelling these corridors by other means. Most of us are friendly unless threatened or disrespected, and safety hopefully shouldn't be an issue. More laws are not what we really need. More common sense and courtesy (on both sides) is what we really need.

As far as wheel vehicles go, if they are damaging the groomed trail they should stay off. Nor should snowmachines spin out tearing up the trail or creating "push piles". Good luck with that! I, myself, do not own a snow bike nor do I dog sled. I do occasionally ski or walk (with great discretion) on some of the aforementioned routes and have been doing so (legally as far as I know) for over 30 years.
Safety is a priority, has been for as many years as I have ridden which is over 30 years! Are you insinuating that my response indicates that I do not operate safely?! Who said anything about privately owned land that a trail is on? You clearly missed the train on the topic at hand. Allowing pedestrians on the snowmobile trail is a disaster waiting to happen, people walking their dogs on the snowmobile trail is definitely a bad idea, as is with fat tire bikes & cross country skiers. Are you allowed to walk the shoulder of an expressway? Are you allowed to ride a bike on the shoulder of an expressway? Why not? Because there a laws that say so & there should be a law regarding this form of access on a snowmobile trail.-Mezz
 

Hoosier

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Having these bikers on the trails is going to be as annoying as sharing the road with road bikers - except it will be worse as it will be more dangerous. Road bikers ignore traffic laws, disrupt traffic flow, basically do whatever they want because they feel entitled - after all, they are riding a bike and you are in a car! I'm sure those on this site are different but that's the general impression I get with all the bikers you see everywhere now
 

xcr440

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Having these bikers on the trails is going to be as annoying as sharing the road with road bikers - except it will be worse as it will be more dangerous. Road bikers ignore traffic laws, disrupt traffic flow, basically do whatever they want because they feel entitled - after all, they are riding a bike and you are in a car! I'm sure those on this site are different but that's the general impression I get with all the bikers you see everywhere now

There's that word again, ENTITLEMENT.
 
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