Proposed Huron Mtns. Windfarm

snobuilder

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Wholey crap, the video shows an eagle getting whacked in half. ......Just imagine being on the trails and watching for that to happen. ...lol

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This must have the whacked out "save the planet " libtard's chittin, themselves.
 

snobuilder

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This is a local company that started out in 2011 refurbishing wind turbines and already has built a new facility with room to grow even larger.

Personally, I never gave much thought to what the lifespan of one of the large wind turbines is.

http://gearboxexpress.com/
 

Go Fast or Go Home

Active member
I'm really mixed on all this---The environmental people do not want wind turbines, nuclear plants, coal fired plants, solar panel farms, or dams for hydro electric, but they sure want electricity when they flip the switch.

Don~
 

ripcord

New member
on the up side they will need to build service roads that will prob not get plowed

The roads will need to be at least 40’ side to get those 175+’ turbine blades into place. And obviously those roads will need to be plowed in order for them to get in and maintain the turbine. Those roads will need to be plowed and maintained by the county road commission at taxpayer expense. In fact the whole project will be at our (taxpayers) expense because these wind farms are subsidized by our government.... and for the most part built by foreign companies. It’s all a big farce and a scam... do some research. The original proposal was for 130 turbines to be built, but they’ve scaled that back to about 49.... that is until they get their foot in the door, then you will see them multiply just like they have in other areas. They will be spread out from L’Anse eastward for 20 miles. And that’s just the beginning... like I said, once they get their foot in the door...! Mt. Curwood has already been clear-cut and Mt. Arvon will be next along with many other areas. Like I said, the Trapp hills and Keweenaw will be next on their agenda.
I’m all for ‘green’ energy, but it has a place and the beautiful forested wilderness areas of the U.P. are not the place. In fact that area is probably the WORST place. It doesn’t produce the sustained winds needed for efficient wind power, aside from the fact there are many wetlands, streams and rivers that WILL be compromised by all the erosion that is inevitable and that will all flow right into Huron Bay, Keweenaw Bay and Lake Superior. Not to mention what happens when they start leaking hydraulic fluid, which, again is inevitable.
These things are expensive to build and expensive to maintain and invariably do not produce enough energy to even pay for themselves over their 20-30 lifespan. It takes more coal, oil, gas and other natural resources to produce, transport, construct and maintain just one than the energy it can produce in its lifetime. These ain’t your grandpa’s windmill on the farm that kept itself pointed into the wind and required little maintenance... NO, these things use hydraulics and electricity to keep them running and require constant maintenance. If you go take a look at one of these wind farms you will see on any given day, even in a stiff breeze, there are always several, probably 10% of them that are not running. Why?... because they break down and require constant maintenance.

But hey, if you enjoy snowmobiling in areas that have been stripped of trees, and you enjoy watching those 500’ turbines go round and round then go ahead and support them.

Oh, and did I mention the highlines, underground transmission lines, substations and maintenance buildings that will be required? The whole area will probably be closed, with the exception of those many main roads which you will be restricted to... you know, the ones that WILL be plowed, and we know how enjoyable it is snowmobiling on those plowed roads!!!
 
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wirev

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I lived among 135 turbines when I was in N.D. Thought they were beautiful and productive. All of them in farm fields. Don’t know what the width of roads were but after installation, they became pretty narrow. Farmers seeded right up to them and around them. They lost very little farmin’ land and got handsomely paid–a 10 year contract of four grand for every turbine on one’s land. Many days saw all of the turbines going while most days saw a few not running. Either they did not need the power or they were down for PM. You don’t take investments of that expense and not pull regular maintenance. In the 5 years I was there, I only saw 1 that was a full resto; could have been a bad one from the start. Doesn’t seem outrageous to me. Now, to have them in the place discussed, I’m undecided. I can see both arguments. BTW, the N.D. wind farm was built by an American company and much of the mfg. was done in Grand Forks. Just sayin. Rev.
Funny story: Had a good friend that lived very close to one tell me that his dog barked constantly for a long time. He said it was because of the blades made the faint sound of “woof” when they turned through the air. Me, I’ve been right under them and never could hear much. Of course the combines and trucks weren’t far away.
 

old abe

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Like wise down hear wirev. County govs like them for the increase tax base/income. Farmers like the income, and very little inconvenience. Major utilities like them for the efficiency, with very few failures, and are expanding their wind farms rapidly. Local, county, or townships have no snow plowing duties, or any other road maintenance other than their previous duty to their own roads. After constructions, access roads are a mere lane, which wind farm owners care for and maintain totally themselves. Utility companies say natural gas has put coal out of business for many years now due to coal transportation costs, and emissions. Nuclear is cost prohibitive due to the nuclear waste, spent fuel, and what to do with it. On site spent fuel storage is limited, and long term permanent storage is not available, and the very high cost transportation of it. Good friend of mine works on a nuclear refueling crew, says that is what makes it high cost energy, and utility company's want to get away from it, and the liability of it. We bailed out 3 of the plants here, three years ago due to this spent fuel storage/transportation/liabilty issue. Seems most who oppose originally, generally come to like the local benefits the wind farms provide in taxes collected. I am not implying in anyway, that the Huron Mountains, the Kewee, or any other area up there should have these, but do oppose.
 

old abe

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wirev, I'm a bit N/E of Moline. Did you have a place by Presque Isle, Wis? Does Herberg ring a bell? I once met a "reverend" snowmobiler.
 

wirev

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No place by Presque Isle, but I am a Rev and I once lived in Berland, MI. Retired now but still working. I'm also the Track Chaplain at the Derby in Eagle River.
Must be Prophetstown?
 

old abe

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No place by Presque Isle, but I am a Rev and I once lived in Berland, MI. Retired now but still working. I'm also the Track Chaplain at the Derby in Eagle River.
Must be Prophetstown?

Okay, yep. Well the rev I was referring to was just a nickname. But he was part of group a great guys who love to snowmobile. Perhaps you and I will cross paths up there one day!!!
 

frnash

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Ye dogs, they're trying to manage wind turbine blade overspeed by using brakes, brakes that catch fire from the excessive friction?
They don't manage blade RPM vs. wind speed by pitch control, as with a constant speed/variable-pitch aircraft (or even ship) propeller — high pitch, high speed, low pitch, low speed, turn the pitch of the blade parallel to the wind to "feather" the blade — "no speed"! This ain't exactly rocket science!
 
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old abe

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The wind farms around my area are all computer controlled as to the direction of wind to blade angle, and blade pitch. Computer also controls how many of them are in operation, and in what pattern to maximize efficiency of wind. Unit brake only used when unit is shut down. I know of no fires. Pretty sure news media would be all over that. Especially now that they all have drowns just waiting to get used.
 
We had a steam turbine at a mill I worked at that generated about 5MW of power. One of the problems is matching the turbine speed with the electrical field. You have to be at 60 Hz when closing the switches. If it varies the switches open dropping off the grid. I would think the brakes would be to help limit them but the ones I've seen have variable blades. When one in a bunch aren't turning you can see the blades turned to "low pitch."
 

old abe

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The high tech computer electrical regulating equipment of today is making all this possible. Phasing, cycles/Hz, voltage/amp/watt variable energy production/source to load use/need. This same equipment makes irrigating of variable size loads/systems on the same line possible now days. It is amazing how the high tech of today has changed in such a short period of time. Yes it is costly up front, but allows you to do what you could not do a few years back. Thus it pays back quickly.
 
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Tracker

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I am delivering a load of solar panels and equipment to bigbay for the cottage in the woodski's this weekend....it has begun already
 
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