Rebuilding Boat Motor - Four Winns

[polarisxcsp]

There is a 2007 Four Winns 200 Horizon up for auction. It has a volvo penta 4.3 GXi 225 HO 6 cylinder motor in it with only 31 hours! BUT it looks like they never winterized the motor so it will need be rebuilt or replaced. Any idea on how much it would cost to replace or rebuild it? Thanks

 

[heckler56]

Well, $3,500 will buy you a nice 1987 215 Sundowner with a 4.3 that has been winterized every year. Stored up in Traverse City. Last used 6 yrs ago. Will throw in the Shore Station for an extra $600..

 

[anonomoose]

There is a 2007 Four Winns 200 Horizon up for auction. It has a volvo penta 4.3 GXi 225 HO 6 cylinder motor in it with only 31 hours! BUT it looks like they never winterized the motor so it will need be rebuilt or replaced. Any idea on how much it would cost to replace or rebuild it? Thanks

31 hours doesn't mean much if the machine went thru 5 winters without being winterized.

Having said that, depending upon the time of year the machine was last pulled, it might just need a good clean-up. In this sort of process you need to figure that the whole motor is gone...and be happy if it is not. Outdrive should be fine. Rest of the boat should be ok too.

On the other hand if the motor is trashed, what is the boat really worth? Feel good with tinkering?

Might be a fun project boat if you get it right.

 

[whitedust]

No 2007 boat is worth much with blown inboard engine. I would go to auction might not be much interest at all. A dealer that has an extra engine they can drop in would buy it seen that happen but if engine block blown or engine was run without knowing it had cracked block total loss. I have been to sled auctions & sleds sell for cheap so would think boats would be the same.

 

[snoluver1]

I would not go so far as to say the outdrive should be fine. After five years sitting in the trailer position, I would be concerned about the condition of the driveshaft yokes/u-joints. Also the condition of all the bellows, and possible rust formation on internals, from condensation build up and moisture in the outdrive oil that most likely was not changed before storage. Also would be worried about the gimble bearing for the same reasons. I have seen outdrives completely destroy themselves the first time they are dropped into gear, after extended periods of sitting.

 

[anonomoose]

I would not go so far as to say the outdrive should be fine. After five years sitting in the trailer position, I would be concerned about the condition of the driveshaft yokes/u-joints. Also the condition of all the bellows, and possible rust formation on internals, from condensation build up and moisture in the outdrive oil that most likely was not changed before storage. Also would be worried about the gimble bearing for the same reasons. I have seen outdrives completely destroy themselves the first time they are dropped into gear, after extended periods of sitting.

On the other hand, with such low hours the seals could be nice and tight and no water means no rust at all. If no moisture then other than a fluid change, it is very likely good to go. One good look at the outdrive would tell the tale.

I would take the chance on this one with that few of hours...and i would even try to salvage the motor....but it all comes down to your abilities to fix it and whatcha pay for it.

Point is nothing done for 5 or 6 years wouldn't necessarily make me shy away. Could be a gem in the rough.

 

[snoduke88]

This could be a gem or just a rock. Do you have a volvo penna dealer in your area? If not parts are hard to find. If it is a OMC/volvo Penna it is more of a problem, as some parts such as upper gear case are very hard to find. Where I work we had one in this year that took us a month to find parts.

 

[ezra]

a rebuilt long block for that boat can be had 1500 all day and prob add 300 for you core being junk with the cracked and blown out watter jackets.
if the heads are good short blocks 1350 but why mess around for 150 bucks?
I would guess the out drive on a 97 will be fine even if left in trailer the volvo sx has a good size drain hole
but what is a 97 fourwins in mint cond worth 7k? I dont know but my 00 glasstron 185 in mint cond sold for 7k 4 yrs ago

 

[bearrassler]

Is the block cracked, that is the most important item, it is not good to let anything sit for 5 years and if it wasn't drained the block would be toast. like Ezra said a long block is the way to go in that case, and I don't think you should have anything wrong with the lower unit if it had lube in it and not water. If the block is not cracked the fuel system may need a few things from sitting with old gas but internally the engine should be good.

 

[polarisxcsp]

http://auction.repocast.com/details.cfm?ID=987307

Heres the boat. Hopefully the link works.

 

[tyeeman]

Well as I read the ad, the boat needs a long block AND manifolds. So ad another $4-600.00 on the cost of the engine. Depending on how mechanical you are, you might be able to find just a block and transfer the pistons, rods, cam, etc from the cracked block to the "new" block as long as the watery oil didn't get all around the engine. That wouldn't be good for anything.
Do a search on reman marine engines, I think Jasper is a pretty popular one. And if in fact the manifolds are cracked as well don't cheap out on aftermarket ones, get oem ones.

Do yourself a HUGE favor and go out to the iboats.com website. There is tons and tons of valuble info out there with lots of folks ready to help. Also, Volvo Penta parts a pleny on/through iboats.
If you pull the engine the outdrive will have to come off so you have your automatic U-joint inspection, and it would also be a good time to change the bellows.
My bets are the outdrive is fine.

 

[ezra]

and buy the looks of that boat and my experience with other Gen mar 18 19 ft boats the back seat side padded panels have to come off to get to the bolts that hold the plywood panel that holds back seat in.
you can not get enough angel on the motor to get it out with out pulling the rear bench parts.ans also rear pad and some need to yank the fiberglass panel just behind rear pad.
just add a day to your time to finish for all the dinking around .
also seeing that you need manifolds long block and what not why not go with a 5.3 some of the small 18/19 ft opens had them lots of the glasstrons had the 4c 6c v8 all in the same 19 same drive.
but if u are not planing on doing this project on your own the cost is to high even at 300 bucks.my buds who work on boats around my parts are making more than doctors.it is shocking what some of these guys make a yr. yr sorry 8 mo

 

[tyeeman]

Be carefull if you want to switch engines to a V-8. The gear ration in the drive has to match. I'd have to believe that 4.3 would have plenty of hump. I have a 4.3 H.O 185 hp, (got a little 4-barrel carb sittin on top of the motor, stock ) in a 18 1/2 foot Lund with a Volvo Duo-Prop and she moves out right about 49-50 mph/GPS.

 

[frnash]

Be carefull if you want to switch engines to a V-8. The gear ration [sic] in the drive has to match. I'd have to believe that 4.3 would have plenty of hump. I have a 4.3 H.O 185 hp, (got a little 4-barrel carb sittin on top of the motor, stock ) in a 18 1/2 foot Lund with a Volvo Duo-Prop and she moves out right about 49-50 mph/GPS.

Gee, they're rationing gears now? Ahh, memories of ration books and stamps of the WWII era!
(Sorry, I jus' hadda dood it!)

 

[polarisxcsp]

Went to high for me....sold for $13,150

 

[whitedust]

Went to high for me....sold for $13,150

Yikes you were smart to back away at that price. I was thinking 1/2 that at most with blown engine & hull scuffs. Difficult to tell if interior was good or worn with sun damage from pictures. Lots of work needed for sure.

 

[bearrassler]

Yikes you were smart to back away at that price. I was thinking 1/2 that at most with blown engine & hull scuffs. Difficult to tell if interior was good or worn with sun damage from pictures. Lots of work needed for sure.

Lots of money, I was thinking around 5000.00 to 6000.00 maybe, it looked a little rough in the pictures.

 

[polarisxcsp]

I was thinking maybe 5-6 too but never 13k lol

 

[whitedust]

Yep whoever bought it will not be able to make 2 cents on it after all the work. I have seen 24 foot center console Rangers with 200HP 4s Yam outboard,trolling motor,GPS sonar with saltwater trailer sold for $12,500. That boat was gas & go no work necessary but auction was in FL. My bud luvs that boat but seems too big for inland lakes in northern WI to me. He tows with dually back & forth FL &WI so no problem to him.