Removing of signs in U.P.

[POLARISDAN]

the bridge signs are a mistake..speed or not you need to know a bridge is coming up..its just way too dangerous for anybody not to know there is a potential hole in the trail coming up..this is a mistake from someone sitting behind a friggin desk.

we rode alot over a week, yes the corner signs are not really necessary if your riding the trail, not the signs, but to come up on a bridge in low light or snowy conditions and not know it is absolutely wrong..someone will die this year..book it

 

[polarisrider1]

the bridge signs are a mistake..speed or not you need to know a bridge is coming up..its just way too dangerous for anybody not to know there is a potential hole in the trail coming up..this is a mistake from someone sitting behind a friggin desk.

we rode alot over a week, yes the corner signs are not really necessary if your riding the trail, not the signs, but to come up on a bridge in low light or snowy conditions and not know it is absolutely wrong..someone will die this year..book it

You guys really need to trail ride out in the western states. Signs do not exsist for the most part. No warnings of cliffs, bridges, curves, most the time were the trail even is. And most definitely no steep hill signs (everything is that), Now if a bridge is a single laner and trail narrows to it say like the bridges built of skids that we used to have a sign would be nice. Folks the trails are NOT your own private race course. We got families coming at you from the other way. Slow the heck down and all is well. In Michigan drinking and snowmobiling is a Major crime that will run you a night in jail, lawyer fees, and thousands WHEN caught, keep that in mind. makes $45 trail permit look like chump change. Plus Canada will view you as a felon so that takes care of riding the real good stuff!

 

[POLARISDAN]

never rode out west west but arent you likely to go over a cliff evrywhere and ride accordingly? in the midwest we r riding flat even trails and are not expecting to go over a cliff. so riding a straight stretch that is not coming into a turn and out of nowhere you are faced with a huge hole or major rut that can be unseen, especially at snoblind conditions or bad weather, you are saying"oh that dam rider was just going to friggin fast and hes a terrible irresponsible rider", that is just plain bs..read some of this thread and the accidents(not accidents, beauracratic bullcrap) that have happened to people, and me also when we where UP, and u think thats a good idea huh? to remove the bridge signs is just plain irresposible decision by the MI DNR

 

[polarisrider1]

never rode out west west but arent you likely to go over a cliff evrywhere and ride accordingly? in the midwest we r riding flat even trails and are not expecting to go over a cliff. so riding a straight stretch that is not coming into a turn and out of nowhere you are faced with a huge hole or major rut that can be unseen, especially at snoblind conditions or bad weather, you are saying"oh that dam rider was just going to friggin fast and hes a terrible irresponsible rider", that is just plain bs..read some of this thread and the accidents(not accidents, beauracratic bullcrap) that have happened to people, and me also when we where UP, and u think thats a good idea huh? to remove the bridge signs is just plain irresposible decision by the MI DNR

The thought on the bridge signs is that if not mentioned by a sign folks will maintain speed and not trench out each side of bridge with hard braking and acceleration. What I think the DNR forgets is these bridges are narrower then a highway bridge. I could see the no bridge signs as more effective on wider bridges.

 

[Hoosier]

The thought on the bridge signs is that if not mentioned by a sign folks will maintain speed and not trench out each side of bridge with hard braking and acceleration. What I think the DNR forgets is these bridges are narrower then a highway bridge. I could see the no bridge signs as more effective on wider bridges.

Agree. I haven't gotten on a sled yet this year, but in my mind, some or perhaps most of the bridges up there in the UP are hardly wide enough for two sleds and many involve a turn almost immediately before coming up on the bridge. Couple that with the fact that bridges are sometimes a nice spot to stop for a break, I think bringing back the narrow bridge ahead sings makes a lot of sense. There is little room for error or opportunity for adjusting your direction if you come up on a bridge even a little too fast and someone is coming the other way.

 

[rsvectordude]

Well I put on 400 this week from Greenland to Phoenix and everywhere in between and the difference is way noticeable. You'd have to be blind not to see that. Trail 109 basically has no curve signs. Corners 90 degrees and less no signs at all. The bridge ahead signs also a bad idea. Late night blowing snow had no idea bridges were coming. One box culvert north of Calumet no object markers at all. Everyone in our group, all locals, went airborne. I could care less is trail 3 has any signs at all but the twisty trails are a stupid idea. Came upon a group on 159 out of Baraga heading south with 2 sleds smashed on a curve coming from opposite directions. Out of that 400 miles over 100 of them were on county roads. Looks like it's going bring back a lot of shortcut riding for us because on the super narrow twisty trails I'm not trusting any newbies out there without the signs.

 

[whitedust]

Well I put on 400 this week from Greenland to Phoenix and everywhere in between and the difference is way noticeable. You'd have to be blind not to see that. Trail 109 basically has no curve signs. Corners 90 degrees and less no signs at all. The bridge ahead signs also a bad idea. Late night blowing snow had no idea bridges were coming. One box culvert north of Calumet no object markers at all. Everyone in our group, all locals, went airborne. I could care less is trail 3 has any signs at all but the twisty trails are a stupid idea. Came upon a group on 159 out of Baraga heading south with 2 sleds smashed on a curve coming from opposite directions. Out of that 400 miles over 100 of them were on county roads. Looks like it's going bring back a lot of shortcut riding for us because on the super narrow twisty trails I'm not trusting any newbies out there without the signs.

109 very tight twistys & this is what I was concerned about. Trail 3 & 107 grades or FRs so can see way ahead can ride those with no signs other than stop ahead & bridge ahead. Also some very tight stuff going 15 north to 111 to Amasa or Sidnaw. WI has very tight twistys but soooo well signed you know exactly what is coming up.

 

[polarisrider1]

Well folks the lower Peninsula is also part of the signage removal program. Today logged 146 miles on the trails down here oon an RMK. Anyways, I noticed some stop ahead signs coming from one way but not the other. The absent of signs was actually nice, felt like I was in the woods and not on some chitown toll road. Arrows were in corners and easy to see. I am all about putting the "trail" back into trail riding.

 

[haulngas]

I think it sucks when you spend $13, 000 on a snowmobile and you have to drive 30 mph because you dont know what's ahead if you. I like to put on 300-400 miles a day and it just makes my day longer. It slowed me down because I'm worried about the hot rodders coming at me that miss the curves. I was up in the UP last weekend and counted over 10 places where sleds missed a corner and crossed the oncoming lane. I'm just glad I wasn't there at the time it happened. Just my 2 cents

 

[Woodtic]

This is a joke.

 

[Woodtic]

Thanks for the easy example ...... Can't wait till the circus leaves town.

 

[Skylar]

I think it sucks when you spend $13, 000 on a snowmobile and you have to drive 30 mph because you dont know what's ahead if you. I like to put on 300-400 miles a day and it just makes my day longer. It slowed me down because I'm worried about the hot rodders coming at me that miss the curves. I was up in the UP last weekend and counted over 10 places where sleds missed a corner and crossed the oncoming lane. I'm just glad I wasn't there at the time it happened. Just my 2 cents

300-400 miles a day huh? Ever think maybe you are the hot rodder? Unless, of course, your riding day is a full 24 hours.

 

[Woodtic]

I feel great shame,I should never have lowered myself to post on this.

 

[haulngas]

Stay out of the tavern and maybe you could put 300 to 400 miles a day too. im not a hotrodder I just ride steady. Get going by 7:00 back by 9:00 pm. Slow and steady wins th race

 

[Woodtic]

Those 13000$ sleds can go where they want.step aside,they have the right of way.

 

[haulngas]

You're real bright wooddick

 

[Skylar]

Stay out of the tavern and maybe you could put 300 to 400 miles a day too. im not a hotrodder I just ride steady. Get going by 7:00 back by 9:00 pm. Slow and steady wins th race

I could see that kind of miles in a 14 hour day. I don't sit in the taverns, winter is too short to be wasting time sitting in bars.

 

[polarisrider1]

You're real bright wooddick

Just because woodtic calls you out on your nonsense, is no reason to name call is it?

 

[polarisrider1]

I feel great shame,I should never have lowered myself to post on this.

Agree. Easy to get sucked in. My best day ever was 285 miles and not by choice. Backpack trip in Canada and towns look so much closer on a map! When trail riding 185 to 240 is a good day for me. I actually see things rather then just looking for curve signs.

 

[Dave_B]

We rode quite a bit in the Western UP the past couple of days. I can honestly tell you, the reduction of signs isn't so bad. The only one that needs one that we past was on 107 south of Kenton. Two of our group blew the corner (A 90 degree) along with countless others who left track evidence.

Linda, I think Iron River grooms that section but it really needs a sign! If it's not them, please put something up. You'll find the corner. Just follow the tracks that don't follow the trail.

Dave