srt20
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With "independent" testing from the world famous "the chemist" straight off of HCS. Yep, that's the testing results I'd want on my website......all credibility is gone.
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With "independent" testing from the world famous "the chemist" straight off of HCS. Yep, that's the testing results I'd want on my website......all credibility is gone.
Like I said, my intent was not to debate or question the findings, simply to point out where it came from.
I don't know what, if anything was discovered about him. Last time I expressed my opinion on this matter I was called "ignorant" by another member so I'll just plead the Fifth this time.
snobuilder
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OK I don't know the background of how the test list was developed but it does include a long list of different oils and info on each one.....its not like the list just had Legend on it claiming to be number one, so unless you and the other naysayer and accuser rusholio have another test sheet, i'd say your cred should be called into question as well....if yur both gonna call it a lie, prove it with another test sheet or at least something beyond a pityful scoff.
I certainly didn't post it up to start a pissin match with anyone.
Agree 100%. How can a serious company reference a here-today gone-tomorrow internet poster and call it evidence? And as Polaris1 said, they excluded quite a few of the standards from the list too.
You might want to go back and re-read my posts. Nowhere did I state any opinion, pro or con, as to its validity (not in this thread, anyhow). I say anybody who's interested should dig up the old thread on HCS and read it. They can come to their own conclusion.
snobuilder
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I wasn't aware of any other discussion on another site....simply did a search for a 2 stroke oil test and this one came up.
I actually saw how high up the Mystic JT4 oil was ranked and felt it related to alla the sea and snow treads on here.
I 'll edit out my link if you or srt2 can link to one you feel is legit.
I actually saw how high up the Mystic JT4 oil was ranked and felt it related to alla the sea and snow treads on here.
I 'll edit out my link if you or srt2 can link to one you feel is legit.
No need to edit it out, and I have no link to any that I feel is legit. For the third time, I'm not saying whether it is or isn't legit. Been there, done that, got ridiculed (though I must say "naysayer" and "accuser" is much nicer than "ignorant" and "uneducated"). I simply clarified where it came from so that anybody who cares to do so can go back, read the original thread on HCS, and come to their own conclusion. Or not. Makes no difference to me. I know what I would use and why if I were still in the 2s game, but everybody has their own opinion.
srt20
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Ok, it's clear you have no idea how that test came about. Here is a short replay;
Some guy gets on Hardcoresledder.com, claims to be a chemist. Claims to have worked in oil industry or something like that for years and years, now retired. Says he has all this high dollar equipment that he can test oil with. Some people went along with it, some didn't. Started doing testing, yada yada. Some people started calling him out, he started talking in circles, blah blah. All of a sudden bam, Legend oil is on top. He then took his ball and went home. Never to be heard from again.
If you want the long version, you will have to read the thread for yourself. Apparently you don't go on HCS much, but there is a very large amount of horse manure info on that site.
Now to find out Legend oil is using this supposed test as the truth on their website?? I could have made up some garbage story and said duck butter is the best 2 stroke oil, but would it be the truth? Is "the chemist" test the truth? I guess if it's on the Internet, it must be true???
I never once said Legend oil is crap. It could be the best oil ever invented for all I care. But I wouldnt use it in the past because of the price. Now I won't use it because they have lost all credibility as well.
I'm not debating that is good or bad oil. I don't care. And if you or anyone else uses it, I also don't care.
In fact, none of this has anything to do with you other than you were the one who posted the link.
Don't be so uptight.
I read the chemists thread and thought it quite interesting. And quite detailed. People started giving him crap because they didn't like his results and he got sick of it and quit. Don't blame him. He lists Sea and Snow JT4 as passing. The regular sea and snow as failing. I have burned JT4 in the past without any issues. In fact I traded in a 600HO sled with 7000 miles on it - almost 4000 using JT4. the dealer did a compression test. I asked him what the compression was. He said a 150 lbs per cylinder. I couldn't believe it! I had told them I bought the sled for my friend they asked me if he put a new top end in. I said I didn't know. But I did know. There was no new top end. This was stock. 7000 miles and nearly 4000 of them burning jt4 and a hundred and fifty pounds per cylinder! You tell me this stuff is junk the proof is in the pudding! This proves to me the Chemist was correct. Does anyone have real world stories at issues with oil he passed? As I said regular Sea and Snow failed. remember he is testing specific oils within a brand not just a brand of oil. A friend of mine however talked to me into buying the manufacturer oil as I'm still under warranty and to prevent any our issues with warranty if I do blow up. So until I'm out of warranty that's what I'm burning. I will burn JT4 in my ETEC 800 without worry after warranty is out. So for all who say see snow and blow is this with the regular sea and snow or the JT4 semi synthetic? Has anyone had issues while burning the JT4?
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snobuilder
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Well i guess there is 2 sides to the story. As I said, The list is long....maybe this chemist DID know his stuff and the rest of the clik on HCS was gang bangin him due to bein uneducated on the subject themselves....You see tie cliks on every site you visit....I think its the same phenomenon as the DOO owners cult....
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And if I said that I used some of the oils that DIDN'T pass his tests (I did) and had no ill effects, would that prove he's wrong? Like I said, we all draw our own conclusions. I say "tomayto", you say "tomahto"........
snobuilder
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Polaris says there Gold is better than their blue....I wonder if that's legit?
Maybe the geniuses at HCS can tell me....LOL
Maybe the geniuses at HCS can tell me....LOL
Snobuilder -- in re-reading and digesting the past several posts -- I was not trying to call you out in any way for posting the link to the table. I was not trying to imply that you posted bad info. I was only trying to point out that the topic was, and apparently still is, controversial and that sledders may want to know the story behind it before deciding for themselves whether or not the table is a useful tool. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately, depending on how you look at it), that may not be possible since it appears the thread has been deleted. My bad for failing to take into account that you may not have seen it.
srt20
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Where does Polaris say their Gold is better than their Blue? How is it better? Just curious.
I guess for me I was shocked at the compression of the sled after 7000K miles (150). Maybe it happens more often than I thought but I expected the dealer to say compression of 120 or worse... Is this impressive as I think or does this happen often? Assuming the chemist does know what he is talking about, a fail wouldn't guarantee a problem, it is just not one of the better oils he would recommend. I decided to buy the cheapest passing oil and got better results than expected. That is why I am interested to hear other stories than just mine. For example Sea and Snow JT4 is about $22/gallon. If everyone has as good a result as mine then it seems a good choice - chemist or no chemist. If others say they blew there motors on it then I will be a little more worried.
With today's high quality coatings and alloys, it is not uncommon at all to retain 150 psi after 7500 miles. It really has nothing to do with choice of oil. Cylinders and rings in today's day and age do not wear out like they did back in the days of cast iron. Your more likely to see a piston skirt crack from fatigue than compression fade. That is why its important to do the top end based on mileage rather than compression readings. The exception of course were Skidoo's infamous "flaking" rings from a few years back.