Maybe you should start reading my posts, did I ever say "how bad snowmobiling was?" not that I remember, and am I posting snowmobile deaths? hmmmm not that I remember, and where did I say anything about how deaths are related to landowner permission??? PLEASE ENTERTAIN ME!!! I BEG OF YOU!!! you're right snobuilder horsepower is no different today than years ago, I was clearly mistaken, what was I thinking. the fact of the matter is there are people out there that are driving sleds that they cant handle, and driving in ways that shows no concern for the safety of all the other people on the trail, all these head on accidents and purely accidental and are just a hazard of the sport, you're right again snobuilder. And again please show me where I said any of the things you accuse me of doing,