Bob- if you fired a gun your a** would probably blow up, with all those fumes coming out.
Snowmobilers drinking while sledding - what do you do
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Bob- if you fired a gun your a** would probably blow up, with all those fumes coming out.
Nearly everyone while on the sled does a little bar hopping. Sometimes, I even carry a few beers in the sled in case we stop in the woods for a break. For me, I find that I don't really ever seem drunk on the sled even after a few stops. Perhaps, it is being out in the cold air. Also, I always realize I have to be aware.
cuzzinolaf
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trailshredder
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Prepare yourself for a severe beating.
Grant Hoar
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OK, a few responses, in no particular order
John - now I know what all these stand-up riders are carrying in their backpacks, it is not garden tools, it is a 30-06
Upbarleyboy -your first comment was probably the most reasonable of the answers, and that was the judgement call that was made. They were not falling down drunk, but they had some in them. They had one guy on an older sled that was not running right who was going to be slowing them down anyway.
Slimcake - no, there was no damage to us. I mainly raised this question because of concerns for others. Lets face it, there have to be others on this site that have run into the same situation, and was just trying to get some input, and also to get others thinking about what to do if/when that situation does come up
Weighed the risk/reward ratio of the situation, and figured it was best to let it go in this case. I can think of a different situation where I got a drunk car driver arrested. He passed out at a stoplight at a tee intersection with his foot on the brake, and the construction crew I was working with was on the other side of the road directly in front of the car. Shut the car off, called the cops, and handed the keys to the cop when he arrived. Guy was still passed out when cop arrived. No regrets, that was the best move in that situation.
Hope these guys made it home safely with no incidents or permanent reminders of the evening (that is the Frontier Bar reference)
John - now I know what all these stand-up riders are carrying in their backpacks, it is not garden tools, it is a 30-06
Upbarleyboy -your first comment was probably the most reasonable of the answers, and that was the judgement call that was made. They were not falling down drunk, but they had some in them. They had one guy on an older sled that was not running right who was going to be slowing them down anyway.
Slimcake - no, there was no damage to us. I mainly raised this question because of concerns for others. Lets face it, there have to be others on this site that have run into the same situation, and was just trying to get some input, and also to get others thinking about what to do if/when that situation does come up
Weighed the risk/reward ratio of the situation, and figured it was best to let it go in this case. I can think of a different situation where I got a drunk car driver arrested. He passed out at a stoplight at a tee intersection with his foot on the brake, and the construction crew I was working with was on the other side of the road directly in front of the car. Shut the car off, called the cops, and handed the keys to the cop when he arrived. Guy was still passed out when cop arrived. No regrets, that was the best move in that situation.
Hope these guys made it home safely with no incidents or permanent reminders of the evening (that is the Frontier Bar reference)
I'm very careful around open flames, too.
Seeing as hand guns are illegal in Chicago, you must be a law abiding citizen.
CCW - Glock 27 40s&w - never leave home with out it.
you wont get far telling the IL boys about carring they arent even allowed to carry ammo for a weapon that isnt registered to them without getting charged with a felony. thats the law they are trying to pass right now in Chicago. Crazy Suckers. Always Carry never now when youll need to protect your family
polarisrider1
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Last year I found out that a flare gun was illegal in Chicago. I wanted to get the Ilinois Safe boat inspection done on my boat as a momento (you get a sticker for your boat window). The minute I pulled it out of my emergency pack (kinda like a backpack,but for boating) the Coast Guard inspector went nuts and said put that back, I did not see about that or I would've had to arrest you. So I suspect Chitowners somewhere shot someone with a 12 gauge flare. Ouch!
yamahauler
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If you do CCW and have liquor in your system especially past the legal limit, no matter what you do, you are going to be in deep s%&t.
I probably would of said something. I wouldn't be rude about it but more of some type of response that would make them ponder if they should be doing that.
I probably would of said something. I wouldn't be rude about it but more of some type of response that would make them ponder if they should be doing that.
anonomoose
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Fast forward:
Making his way back to the parking lot where the trailers parked, he is passed by four sleds that are blazing a fast past in the opposite direction...and he notices they all had special badging on the sleds but they passed by him so fast that he could not tell what markings they had...one appeared to be a sheriff sled...be he could not tell they were "making haste"
Arriving at his destination, he hears 4 cop cars with sirens blaring and lights flashing. People are gathering at the trail head and he naturally stops to see what the commotion is all about. He learns that 4 fatalities/ occurred "back down the trail a ways" with head on crashes of "some sort" and that the rescue sleds are part way back waiting for ambulances to arrive. First responders are waiting by the road with flares and flashlights blinking.
Now that very sinking feeling hits him that the worst thing possible has happened and HE might have had a chance to prevent it. Meanwhile the headlights of two sleds come bobbing out of the woods with guys shouting over the roar of the motors....and people jump into action. "These two are alive....."
Still think that he should have stood by and "tossed a few down" with those sledders? Do you really think that any weapons and who was carrying and who wasn't is the issue here? Somebody has to "make the call" to relatives and it isn't going to be something they will enjoy. Funeral arrangements must begin, and family members must be notified, kids must be excused for a week or two of absences to take care of grieving….that sort of thing.
After reading some of the responses on here, I can definitely see the "line" where some folks would be the bystanders "staying out of it" and where some would be the Good Samaritan, jumping in at any cost to try and prevent something terrible from happening. It saddens me to think that all John Dee'ers would not be of the second order here and not the first order. But society is like this these days....and we are not all raised with the same ethical standards.
Time of need is not necessarily someone lying there in a pool of blood on the side of the trail...and this is an example where some obvious issues came to light, innocently and genuine concern for the lives of those guys was paramount.
Just the idea that he brought this up on this snowmobiling website makes me proud to be in association with him. For the record, I would have called at first opportunity, and I would NOT have been concerned about being the TRAIL POLICE and if it was ME that put the spotlight on THOSE guys who might have had too much to drink, then I would feel happy as possible that I did something to at least try and end a group of drinkers who were on an extended ride and binge....not because I am worried about them in particular, but that the family out there riding home with perhaps some younger kids in the group might have been saved from the above scenario. IF these guys survived is a side note to saving the lives of those who did NOT have the benefit of seeing that these guys “probably” were 4 sheets to the wind…or at least a couple of them suggested that they had “downed” a few.
And I thank you for even trying to find out what to do. It means you have morals and care about your fellow sledders. It means that your concern for them, and far more importantly, others on the trail was where it should have been and that you COULD have just shrugged your shoulders and said…”oh well…boys will be boys….”
Now carry on about carrying weapons and the need to blast a fellow sledder or wild animal who might take you on as an enemy of the woods. It should take precedence and is by far the more important topic in this thread.</SPAN>
Making his way back to the parking lot where the trailers parked, he is passed by four sleds that are blazing a fast past in the opposite direction...and he notices they all had special badging on the sleds but they passed by him so fast that he could not tell what markings they had...one appeared to be a sheriff sled...be he could not tell they were "making haste"
Arriving at his destination, he hears 4 cop cars with sirens blaring and lights flashing. People are gathering at the trail head and he naturally stops to see what the commotion is all about. He learns that 4 fatalities/ occurred "back down the trail a ways" with head on crashes of "some sort" and that the rescue sleds are part way back waiting for ambulances to arrive. First responders are waiting by the road with flares and flashlights blinking.
Now that very sinking feeling hits him that the worst thing possible has happened and HE might have had a chance to prevent it. Meanwhile the headlights of two sleds come bobbing out of the woods with guys shouting over the roar of the motors....and people jump into action. "These two are alive....."
Still think that he should have stood by and "tossed a few down" with those sledders? Do you really think that any weapons and who was carrying and who wasn't is the issue here? Somebody has to "make the call" to relatives and it isn't going to be something they will enjoy. Funeral arrangements must begin, and family members must be notified, kids must be excused for a week or two of absences to take care of grieving….that sort of thing.
After reading some of the responses on here, I can definitely see the "line" where some folks would be the bystanders "staying out of it" and where some would be the Good Samaritan, jumping in at any cost to try and prevent something terrible from happening. It saddens me to think that all John Dee'ers would not be of the second order here and not the first order. But society is like this these days....and we are not all raised with the same ethical standards.
Time of need is not necessarily someone lying there in a pool of blood on the side of the trail...and this is an example where some obvious issues came to light, innocently and genuine concern for the lives of those guys was paramount.
Just the idea that he brought this up on this snowmobiling website makes me proud to be in association with him. For the record, I would have called at first opportunity, and I would NOT have been concerned about being the TRAIL POLICE and if it was ME that put the spotlight on THOSE guys who might have had too much to drink, then I would feel happy as possible that I did something to at least try and end a group of drinkers who were on an extended ride and binge....not because I am worried about them in particular, but that the family out there riding home with perhaps some younger kids in the group might have been saved from the above scenario. IF these guys survived is a side note to saving the lives of those who did NOT have the benefit of seeing that these guys “probably” were 4 sheets to the wind…or at least a couple of them suggested that they had “downed” a few.
And I thank you for even trying to find out what to do. It means you have morals and care about your fellow sledders. It means that your concern for them, and far more importantly, others on the trail was where it should have been and that you COULD have just shrugged your shoulders and said…”oh well…boys will be boys….”
Now carry on about carrying weapons and the need to blast a fellow sledder or wild animal who might take you on as an enemy of the woods. It should take precedence and is by far the more important topic in this thread.</SPAN>
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G
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With all the do-gooder gun toters out on the trails it is only a matter of time before somebody gets shot. If you think our sport has a bad rep now just think of how much fun the anti-sledders would have with that. The simple fact is that you or me or anyone else can have much effect on other people's behavior. They are going to do what they are going to do. If somebody does something that offends you simply get away from them. If it is your opinion that they are breaking a law then attempt to call in professionals that are better equipped to handle the situation. It will never be right to take the law into your own hands. Go ahead and shoot some meth-head that you feel threatened by. If you don't kill him the courts will probably rule in his favor and put you in jail and take all your stuff. Good luck to anyone that doesn't think so.
cuzzinolaf
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Anonomoose - your post reminds me of this story. I'm sure many people have seen this story and it really puts things into perspective.
http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/401-general-forum/560386-just-like-you-sad-but-true.html
I witnessed an act of kindness this past weekend that makes me think doing something or at least trying is always the right thing to do. We were out at a bar and there was a guy obviously too drunk to ride his sled home. A few of us saw this and talked about what to do but one guy in the crowd reacted instantly to the situation. He approached the guy and made sure his assumptions were right. He then offered to drive him home and take his sled back to where he was staying. His friends were a bit leery at first but realized this guy was trying to help their friend and were grateful. He then gathered a few others and loaded the guys sled into the back of his truck and drove out of his way to drive the guy to where he was staying. I don't care if I should mind my own business or not and think this was the right thing to do. It might have ended up being my business if he killed someone I know on his way home.
http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/401-general-forum/560386-just-like-you-sad-but-true.html
I witnessed an act of kindness this past weekend that makes me think doing something or at least trying is always the right thing to do. We were out at a bar and there was a guy obviously too drunk to ride his sled home. A few of us saw this and talked about what to do but one guy in the crowd reacted instantly to the situation. He approached the guy and made sure his assumptions were right. He then offered to drive him home and take his sled back to where he was staying. His friends were a bit leery at first but realized this guy was trying to help their friend and were grateful. He then gathered a few others and loaded the guys sled into the back of his truck and drove out of his way to drive the guy to where he was staying. I don't care if I should mind my own business or not and think this was the right thing to do. It might have ended up being my business if he killed someone I know on his way home.
1-snowbullet
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I run into this alot out there .. even found a couple of toatally sloshed riders that dident know there butt from a hole in the ground .. no fun to help eather they cant talk walk or see streight let alone start there sled but there they are lost so you point them in a direction and stay behind them to pick the pices up literally and pray to god they make it .. cell phones dont work when you are in the stix some times .. and when in the middle of no where what cops are going to be out there patrolling that area NONE i say .. Some people think ok driving drunk in a car or truck no go on a sled or atv its ok .. Im for Zero Tolarance riding stay safe and wait till you are at camp or motel before you drink make riding more safer !!
michaeladams
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i carry too and have never had a reason to pull the smoke wagon and i hope it stays that way. i'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have one.
michaeladams
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also, my weapon is to protect me and my family. if i see you getting mugged, your on your own. like it was said earlier, i am no cop.
chevytaHOE5674
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What makes you think that citizens lawfully carrying firearms are going to start shooting people? Do you know that in Michigan as of Jan, 5 2012 had 296,318 concealed pistol licensed individuals....? How many of them just start shooting people.
I carry to defend myself and family from people/things that are out there to do harm.
Cuzzinolaf last winter I was at Henry's in Rockland for dinner with a friend and there was a guy that could hardly stand up about to get on his sled. Convinced him that riding wasn't a good idea and I would drive him home. A bunch of us loaded his sled into my truck and I drove him all the way to Bergland where he was staying. Cost me a bit to drive him and his sled home, but I'm not sure I could live with myself if he would have killed somebody on his way home when I could have stopped it.
cuzzinolaf
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That's awesome, Tahoe.
X2!