St. Germain radar run "sting"

[Cirrus_Driver]

I'm wondering what would happen if you setup a police checkpoint, lets say on 35th and Hampton in Milwaukee, to verify everyone had current auto registration tags, and maybe have them present license and proof of registration?
I'll help you out - the cries of discrimination and racism would be heard on every TV station in southeastern WI, and local alderman and politicians would be screaming bloody murder.

I got stopped coming ON to the lake as did everyone else, and as I rolled up to the checkpoint / sting, I pointed down to my side panel to the trail pass, and the genius says, "were you pointing to your registration sticker or something else". So I point to the other side and he walks over - "oh". What a couple of geniuses these 2 were.

Then coming off the lake about 90 minutes later, being annoyed they were STILL there harassing people, I decided to push it a bit, and keep driving...just to see.
So the other 'damn near russia agent' actually started RUNNING after me as I turned and drove by about 5 yards.
It was actually quite humorous to see his excited expression thinking he actually caught a renegade.

My sons friend actually had to show them an email to prove recent completion of a snowmobile training course, for which he hadn't received his certificate in the mail yet.
I don't think the snowmobiling community should have to put up with this type of harassment just so the DNR can make some extra money on fines.
If you're breaking the law in some observable form and they stop you - fine - check me out all you want, but this is total BS.

 

[durphee]

Not sure about your area but police setup checkpoints on the roads where i live fairly commonly. They have the checkpoint and a police car about 1/4 mile back for anyone who tries to turn around. As far as the DNR, I see checkpoints in and around St Germain/Minocqua/Eagle River maybe once a year or so. Usually just roll through pointing at reg's and sticker, never had a problem, never even really had to stop. On those super busy weekends I actually expect to see one and when riding the roads from one trail to another (where the trail is on the road)I make sure to drive at the posted road speed limit, they can enforce those speed limits.

 

[DooZ]

I'm wondering what would happen if you setup a police checkpoint, lets say on 35th and Hampton in Milwaukee, to verify everyone had current auto registration tags, and maybe have them present license and proof of registration?
I'll help you out - the cries of discrimination and racism would be heard on every TV station in southeastern WI, and local alderman and politicians would be screaming bloody murder.

I got stopped coming ON to the lake as did everyone else, and as I rolled up to the checkpoint / sting, I pointed down to my side panel to the trail pass, and the genius says, "were you pointing to your registration sticker or something else". So I point to the other side and he walks over - "oh". What a couple of geniuses these 2 were.

Then coming off the lake about 90 minutes later, being annoyed they were STILL there harassing people, I decided to push it a bit, and keep driving...just to see.
So the other 'damn near russia agent' actually started RUNNING after me as I turned and drove by about 5 yards.
It was actually quite humorous to see his excited expression thinking he actually caught a renegade.

My sons friend actually had to show them an email to prove recent completion of a snowmobile training course, for which he hadn't received his certificate in the mail yet.
I don't think the snowmobiling community should have to put up with this type of harassment just so the DNR can make some extra money on fines.
If you're breaking the law in some observable form and they stop you - fine - check me out all you want, but this is total BS.
And we just put up with this.

I went through the same "check point" and didn't have a problem. I don't necessarily like check points either, but can understand it's the biggest bang for their manpower budget bucks. If you aren't doing anything wrong then it shouldn't be a problem. There will always be the Barney Fifes of the enforcement community. If they do their job correctly and enforce the regs on non-registered, no trail pass, etc., they ultimately help the snowmobile program. The money from registration and trail passes goes towards increased trail maintenance dollars.Jul

 

[shelby369]

Everybody has their job in life.... for a few hours on Sat, you have hundreds or event thousands of sleds in a small area....it's almost controlled chaos in a fun way. If you're legal with reg/trial pass what's it matter?? , I welcome the presents of the boys in blue.. I go down to the radar run to sled/people watch....it's a sight to see.

 

[ss440]

I'm wondering what would happen if you setup a police checkpoint, lets say on 35th and Hampton in Milwaukee, to verify everyone had current auto registration tags, and maybe have them present license and proof of registration?
I'll help you out - the cries of discrimination and racism would be heard on every TV station in southeastern WI, and local alderman and politicians would be screaming bloody murder.

I got stopped coming ON to the lake as did everyone else, and as I rolled up to the checkpoint / sting, I pointed down to my side panel to the trail pass, and the genius says, "were you pointing to your registration sticker or something else". So I point to the other side and he walks over - "oh". What a couple of geniuses these 2 were.

Then coming off the lake about 90 minutes later, being annoyed they were STILL there harassing people, I decided to push it a bit, and keep driving...just to see.
So the other 'damn near russia agent' actually started RUNNING after me as I turned and drove by about 5 yards.
It was actually quite humorous to see his excited expression thinking he actually caught a renegade.

My sons friend actually had to show them an email to prove recent completion of a snowmobile training course, for which he hadn't received his certificate in the mail yet.
I don't think the snowmobiling community should have to put up with this type of harassment just so the DNR can make some extra money on fines.
If you're breaking the law in some observable form and they stop you - fine - check me out all you want, but this is total BS.
And we just put up with this.

x2. couldnt agree more

 

[old abe]

DNR checks on the water, PWC/boats are much more common, than as for sleds seems to me. Where you ran into them was all about the number of sleds. If your legal, no problem. And perhaps they find a stolen sled, so much for the good.

 

[johnissa12]

I am glad they were out enforcing the the trail system Its about time. If you don't like it never go to Michigan they are out enforce all the time. We have seen so many accidents and deaths this year in Vilas and Iron county it is sick. There are 2 people in the Wausau hospital still on life support from 3 weeks ago from Iron county. If you want to know the truth and i know lots of you are not going to like this if you are going bar hopping and riding your machine just stay the **** home we don't you up here to get killed or to kill someone else. BTW they do check points on hwy's to and only people who think it's wrong are the ones that have some thing to hide. My 12 year old son has his certificate also he has had to show it too big deal I will never get upset about getting stopped and checked because i have nothing to hide and they are just doing there job. There are lots of riders that come up here with out current registration and trail passes that money funds the trail system and should be paid weather you like it or not.

 

[Cirrus_Driver]

Nobody said anything about alcohol here. Like I said, if they observe you doing something illegal, by all means they should pull you over.
But to arbitrarily check everyone just because it's a high traffic event, is just heavy handed law enforcement, and wrong.
Not sure where some of you live, but I've never been on a highway and rolled through a check point where everyone was stopped and checked to make sure everything was legal. This is WI, not Moscow.

 

[old abe]

Well, no harm, no foul. These check/points/stops are pretty common in northern Wis.. Seems more so in Wis. than Mich.. Nothing new here. And yes, they seem to like the areas with lots of sled traffic, always been that way.

 

[frnash]

… I welcome the presents of the boys in blue. …

They're giving presents now too? What's not to like?
That's a nice way to support the the sledding community!
(Er… unless those "presents" are like the "citations" from the Highway Patrol. Hmmm. )

… Not sure where some of you live, but I've never been on a highway and rolled through a check point where everyone was stopped and checked to make sure everything was legal. This is WI, not Moscow.

Whut, Wisconsin doesn't do frequent (click →) DUI Checkpoints?
At least you don't have to deal with (click →) Border Patrol checkpoints in Wisconsin!

 

[gary_in_neenah]

Small price to pay to watch girls in bikinis drag racing snowmobiles...don't ya think?

 

[DamageInc]

It is actually illegal for LE to stop a vehicle in WI without reasonable suspicion. 349.02(2)(a) Notwithstanding sub. (1), a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector may not stop or inspect a vehicle solely to determine compliance with a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) unless the police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector has reasonable cause to believe that a violation of a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) has been committed. This paragraph does not limit the authority of a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector to make an arrest or issue a citation for a violation of any statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) observed in the course of a stop or inspection made for a lawful purpose.

Notice that the law does not specify DNR wardens? For some reason, the DNR believes that they are above the law, and that the Constitution does not apply to them. And for some reason, the State usually lets them get away with it. People need to ignore those checkpoints and keep driving. If they try to flag you down because of loud exhaust or no registration, then obviously you are legally required to stop. But if you haven't done anything wrong, just keep riding and ignore them. Most people don't want a legal fight, so they comply. But some mass civil disobedience is in order with these clowns.

 

[snobuilder]

No one is innocent until they can prove they are. This is the mindset being thrust upon the fat and happy.

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It is actually illegal for LE to stop a vehicle in WI without reasonable suspicion. 349.02(2)(a) Notwithstanding sub. (1), a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector may not stop or inspect a vehicle solely to determine compliance with a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) unless the police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector has reasonable cause to believe that a violation of a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) has been committed. This paragraph does not limit the authority of a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector to make an arrest or issue a citation for a violation of any statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) observed in the course of a stop or inspection made for a lawful purpose.

Notice that the law does not specify DNR wardens? For some reason, the DNR believes that they are above the law, and that the Constitution does not apply to them. And for some reason, the State usually lets them get away with it. People need to ignore those checkpoints and keep driving. If they try to flag you down because of loud exhaust or no registration, then obviously you are legally required to stop. But if you haven't done anything wrong, just keep riding and ignore them. Most people don't want a legal fight, so they comply. But some mass civil disobedience is in order with these clowns.

for posterity. thanks.

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[DamageInc]

Well, no harm, no foul. These check/points/stops are pretty common in northern Wis.. Seems more so in Wis. than Mich.. Nothing new here. And yes, they seem to like the areas with lots of sled traffic, always been that way.

What happened in this country that some people have become so accepting of Gestapo behavior from LE? It's never OK.

 

[DamageInc]

They're giving presents now too? What's not to like?
That's a nice way to support the the sledding community!
(Er… unless those "presents" are like the "citations" from the Highway Patrol. Hmmm. )

Whut, Wisconsin doesn't do frequent (click →) DUI Checkpoints?
At least you don't have to deal with (click →) Border Patrol checkpoints in Wisconsin!

No, both WI and MI specifically outlaw checkpoints. Which is ironic, considering that the disgraceful SCOTUS ruling on checkpoints came from MI (Michigan Department of State Police v. Sitz). The Court admitted that checkpoints infringed on our rights, but that the benefits to society outweighed the infringement. Talk about a slippery slope. Worst ruling in the history of the Supreme Court. Even worse than Terry V. Ohio, where they invented a lower standard than stated in the Constitution (reasonable suspicion) to give more power to LE.

 

[old abe]

In many states DNR has legal powers to search, and seize, without warrent. Suspicion/possession/probable cause. Not a good idea to ignore law enforcement stops. But to each his own. Do you feel lucky? Seems you want others to do this? My advice is to stop, and deal with it.

 

[snobuilder]

In many states DNR has legal powers to search, and seize, without warrent. Suspicion/possession/probable cause. Not a good idea to ignore law enforcement stops. But to each his own. Do you feel lucky? Seems you want others to do this? My advice is to stop, and deal with it.

Yes . the DNR , EPA are somehow allowed above and to ignore the constitution. In the name of what? "saving the planet"....at least that is the agenda of the leftist.

 

[slowsi00]

I'm wondering what would happen if you setup a police checkpoint, lets say on 35th and Hampton in Milwaukee, to verify everyone had current auto registration tags, and maybe have them present license and proof of registration?
I'll help you out - the cries of discrimination and racism would be heard on every TV station in southeastern WI, and local alderman and politicians would be screaming bloody murder.

I got stopped coming ON to the lake as did everyone else, and as I rolled up to the checkpoint / sting, I pointed down to my side panel to the trail pass, and the genius says, "were you pointing to your registration sticker or something else". So I point to the other side and he walks over - "oh". What a couple of geniuses these 2 were.

Then coming off the lake about 90 minutes later, being annoyed they were STILL there harassing people, I decided to push it a bit, and keep driving...just to see.
So the other 'damn near russia agent' actually started RUNNING after me as I turned and drove by about 5 yards.
It was actually quite humorous to see his excited expression thinking he actually caught a renegade.

My sons friend actually had to show them an email to prove recent completion of a snowmobile training course, for which he hadn't received his certificate in the mail yet.
I don't think the snowmobiling community should have to put up with this type of harassment just so the DNR can make some extra money on fines.
If you're breaking the law in some observable form and they stop you - fine - check me out all you want, but this is total BS.
And we just put up with this.

pretty obvious they were searching for revenue, we came from the north east and got lucky enough to avoid it. Then we left and immediately stayed north east again, avoided another roadblock on trail 70... not purposely avoided just lucky way out I guess.

 

[DamageInc]

In many states DNR has legal powers to search, and seize, without warrent. Suspicion/possession/probable cause. Not a good idea to ignore law enforcement stops. But to each his own. Do you feel lucky? Seems you want others to do this? My advice is to stop, and deal with it.

This thread is about WI, not Illinoise or any other state. And yes, the DNR gets away with unconstitutional behavior on a regular basis. They need to be reminded that they work for US, and we are not the King's subjects.

 

[chunk06]

When the trails do actually open in southern Wisconsin they come out in full force flexing their muscles. I got a BS ticket a few years ago when the trails opened for one day. Cop even lied on the stand in court. that was the first time I have ever had a problem with law enforcement in my life. The guy was having a bad day and taking it out on snowmobilers lol