St. Germain radar run "sting"

[old abe]

LMAO snobuilder!!! You've always got a angle to it!!! However, whoever, I say so what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dfattack]

LMAO snobuilder!!! You've always got a angle to it!!! However, whoever, I say so what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so what to ignoring the constitution? Is that what you meant by that statement?

 

[dothedoo]

More importantly; do you guys think the bikini racer from Texas, who went by the name of April Rain (or something like that) was an avid snowmobiler?

 

[old abe]

so what to ignoring the constitution? Is that what you meant by that statement?

I have said nothing to promote ignoring, or abusing the constitution, or any part of it. My comments to what he was aiming at, were that I thought it some what laughable that someone else would promote others when encountering a check point to, "just keep riding, and ignore them", such as the DNR, or police. Do you feel lucky? I have not said I agree, or disagree, with the power of the DNR's wide scope of the law. But it is what it is, and it's like that in many, many states. Is it abused, probably. It has been used to search, and seize. If you think your constitutional rights are being violated by a check point stop, then just do as the other post suggests, and just drive on by. See how that works out for you. Perhaps you'll get the opportunity to argue your case/thoughts in the court system? I don't promote others to intentionally violate the laws, what ever they are. That's not the way to correct something that's wrong in my opinion.

 

[kernsy]

So you rolled through a checkpoint where they were visually observing for registrations and trail permits and get your panties in a bunch? Had you been subjected to a full body cavity search or interrogated under a super bright LED headlight I can see being a bit miffed. God forbid they not remember you coming in and going out of the checkpoint amongst the other several hundred sleds they saw. I was not there for this one, but on several occasions have been subjected a DNR rolling checkpoint. All I can say lighten up Francis. If they pop one jackhole for not having a trail permit or current registration it is worth it to me just on principle.

How this becomes some kind of left-wing radical conspiracy against snowmobilers propagated by the evil DNR is beyond me.

 

[old abe]

I have always thought the gals in the bikinis attracted the crowd??? At least that's why we went. I wasn't aware the DNR was so popular.

 

[mguth]

So you rolled through a checkpoint where they were visually observing for registrations and trail permits and get your panties in a bunch? Had you been subjected to a full body cavity search or interrogated under a super bright LED headlight I can see being a bit miffed. God forbid they not remember you coming in and going out of the checkpoint amongst the other several hundred sleds they saw. I was not there for this one, but on several occasions have been subjected a DNR rolling checkpoint. All I can say lighten up Francis. If they pop one jackhole for not having a trail permit or current registration it is worth it to me just on principle.

How this becomes some kind of left-wing radical conspiracy against snowmobilers propagated by the evil DNR is beyond me.

Agree.

 

[yamadooed]

Best to wick the flipper n give them the one ski loud can salute as ya bounce a one hander heel clicker off the plow mound and then Ya'lls can just Braaap on by check point charlie wit the old two upper deluxer...

 

[ohiosledder]

More importantly; do you guys think the bikini racer from Texas, who went by the name of April Rain (or something like that) was an avid snowmobiler?

If you had a picture of said rider, we would be happy to take a look at her 'qualifications' and make a determination.

 

[Banjo Man]

It would be interesting to see how much revenue was generated from registration stickers and trail passes opposed to revenue from owi or erratic behavior.

 

[Cirrus_Driver]

It is actually illegal for LE to stop a vehicle in WI without reasonable suspicion. 349.02(2)(a) Notwithstanding sub. (1), a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector may not stop or inspect a vehicle solely to determine compliance with a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) unless the police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector has reasonable cause to believe that a violation of a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) has been committed. This paragraph does not limit the authority of a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector to make an arrest or issue a citation for a violation of any statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) observed in the course of a stop or inspection made for a lawful purpose.

Notice that the law does not specify DNR wardens? For some reason, the DNR believes that they are above the law, and that the Constitution does not apply to them. And for some reason, the State usually lets them get away with it. People need to ignore those checkpoints and keep driving. If they try to flag you down because of loud exhaust or no registration, then obviously you are legally required to stop. But if you haven't done anything wrong, just keep riding and ignore them. Most people don't want a legal fight, so they comply. But some mass civil disobedience is in order with these clowns.

Frames the perspective I was trying to convey entirely.
I agree with you completely. I was SOOOO tempted to just keep riding on that section of trail that's ALL road. I'm on the 800 AXYS......my guess is I'd never have seen them again.
Maybe next time. F em.

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What happened in this country that some people have become so accepting of Gestapo behavior from LE? It's never OK.

I was thinking more KGB, checking to see if your papers were in order, but I get your point.

 

[Cirrus_Driver]

So you rolled through a checkpoint where they were visually observing for registrations and trail permits and get your panties in a bunch? Had you been subjected to a full body cavity search or interrogated under a super bright LED headlight I can see being a bit miffed. God forbid they not remember you coming in and going out of the checkpoint amongst the other several hundred sleds they saw. I was not there for this one, but on several occasions have been subjected a DNR rolling checkpoint. All I can say lighten up Francis. If they pop one jackhole for not having a trail permit or current registration it is worth it to me just on principle.

How this becomes some kind of left-wing radical conspiracy against snowmobilers propagated by the evil DNR is beyond me.

I don't agree.
Where did I say I had my "panties in a bunch", as you so irreverently put it?

 

[durphee]

I am not a lawyer but if a "checkpoint" is illegal in said State than wouldn't any ticket be thrown out in a court of law by a judge (assuming its specifically detailed as illegal)? We had multiple cases where a drug task team busted many drug dealers in and around our area. The task force was later found to be illegally formed or whatnot. The legal counsels are now gong back and many of those individuals that were arrested by the task force, who had drugs on them, are being let go and charges being dropped. Funny thing is that the dealers who had their money or assets seized are now getting "lawyered up" to get those assets back....and winning.

 

[sjb]

I guess I look at it, if they are looking to see if you have your sticker and not a noisy exhaust, they can do that without really stopping you. Single file line at a stop sign and let people roll if okay. If not, pull them to the side.

I was stopped at a "game check" in South Dakota quite a few years back. They did a whole car search. To me, that was a bit evasive. Maybe I should have found back a bit. But just checking would seem fine, without stopping.

 

[whitedust]

Always been dragnets like what happen at Saint and other big sled events.... You don't like them don't go there is my cure.... lol... Girls in bikinis for good cause fun...I guess... seen plenty of T&A in my life not a big deal... imo. lol

 

[xcr440]

If getting stopped, or looked at as it sounds, for a simple trails sticker, I’m thinking there could be worse things to encounter on the trails....

 

[catalac]

When the trails do actually open in southern Wisconsin they come out in full force flexing their muscles. I got a BS ticket a few years ago when the trails opened for one day. Cop even lied on the stand in court. that was the first time I have ever had a problem with law enforcement in my life. The guy was having a bad day and taking it out on snowmobilers lol

I wish they would just open sometime this season !!

 

[DamageInc]

So you rolled through a checkpoint where they were visually observing for registrations and trail permits and get your panties in a bunch? Had you been subjected to a full body cavity search or interrogated under a super bright LED headlight I can see being a bit miffed. God forbid they not remember you coming in and going out of the checkpoint amongst the other several hundred sleds they saw. I was not there for this one, but on several occasions have been subjected a DNR rolling checkpoint. All I can say lighten up Francis. If they pop one jackhole for not having a trail permit or current registration it is worth it to me just on principle.

How this becomes some kind of left-wing radical conspiracy against snowmobilers propagated by the evil DNR is beyond me.

If they are just looking for stickers and loud exhaust as you roll past at a stop sign, that is within the law. If they are forcing people to stop who are not causing reasonable suspicion that they are breaking the law, then it is an illegal stop (and unconstitutional, regardless of what the SCOTUS mistakenly ruled).

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I am not a lawyer but if a "checkpoint" is illegal in said State than wouldn't any ticket be thrown out in a court of law by a judge (assuming its specifically detailed as illegal)? We had multiple cases where a drug task team busted many drug dealers in and around our area. The task force was later found to be illegally formed or whatnot. The legal counsels are now gong back and many of those individuals that were arrested by the task force, who had drugs on them, are being let go and charges being dropped. Funny thing is that the dealers who had their money or assets seized are now getting "lawyered up" to get those assets back....and winning.

There are plenty of judges out there who don't respect their oath to the Constitution, so there is no guarantee that it would be thrown out. You could also request a jury trial, and hope for not guilty and/or jury nullification.

 

[kernsy]

I don't agree.
Where did I say I had my "panties in a bunch", as you so irreverently put it?

I did not start the thread, I just typed my opinion. We all have one and some may stink like mine, but we all have one. It does not make it wrong (or right) for it is what it is.

 

[highhertel]

This is why I had a cabin in the UP. Back roads 100% of the time, nature and peacefulness at its finest.