Tesla

[G]

There are three basic groups of people that buy Teslas. The first group likes to buy anything new and different. The second group are the tree huggers that figure they are saving the world. The last and biggest group are people who have thoroughly researched ownership and logistics of owning and operating a first generation EV. This group buys the Tesla and is then pleasantly surprised to find out that it goes like a bat and handles and turns better than much more expensive cars. It is of course true that there were tax rebates in place. It is also true that they have to be charged using dirty power. That is not the point. It does not matter. It also does not matter if Tesla makes money or goes broke. The horse is out of the barn. In ten years or less it will be hard to buy a new non EV passenger vehicle. Car makers around the world are putting all their resources into EV passenger vehicles. Tesla is 5 years ahead of all the German mfgrs. Porsche just came out with the Taycan EV which costs a lot more than a model 3 Tesla and has less range and is no quicker. Ford's first all electric is 3 years away and it will also cost a lot more than a model 3. Tesla is supposed to release the model Y and a pickup before years end. If you are 65 or younger you will probably own an EV before you die. And you will probably be pleasantly surprised.

 

[old abe]

There are three basic groups of people that buy Teslas. The first group likes to buy anything new and different. The second group are the tree huggers that figure they are saving the world. The last and biggest group are people who have thoroughly researched ownership and logistics of owning and operating a first generation EV. This group buys the Tesla and is then pleasantly surprised to find out that it goes like a bat and handles and turns better than much more expensive cars. It is of course true that there were tax rebates in place. It is also true that they have to be charged using dirty power. That is not the point. It does not matter. It also does not matter if Tesla makes money or goes broke. The horse is out of the barn. In ten years or less it will be hard to buy a new non EV passenger vehicle. Car makers around the world are putting all their resources into EV passenger vehicles. Tesla is 5 years ahead of all the German mfgrs. Porsche just came out with the Taycan EV which costs a lot more than a model 3 Tesla and has less range and is no quicker. Ford's first all electric is 3 years away and it will also cost a lot more than a model 3. Tesla is supposed to release the model Y and a pickup before years end. If you are 65 or younger you will probably own an EV before you die. And you will probably be pleasantly surprised.

I agree 100% with grub. It's here, whether who ever likes it, or not. EV's will take over the motive markets of all kinds, from cars to heavy duty trucks, to heavy industrial/construction equipment.

 

[renegade]

Yes, all the government subsidies have helped that along.

Including the Tesla itself, to the tune of about 10 grand a vehicle. So I guess we all own a part of one.

 

[POLARISDAN]

There are three basic groups of people that buy Teslas. The first group likes to buy anything new and different. The second group are the tree huggers that figure they are saving the world. The last and biggest group are people who have thoroughly researched ownership and logistics of owning and operating a first generation EV. This group buys the Tesla and is then pleasantly surprised to find out that it goes like a bat and handles and turns better than much more expensive cars. It is of course true that there were tax rebates in place. It is also true that they have to be charged using dirty power. That is not the point. It does not matter. It also does not matter if Tesla makes money or goes broke. The horse is out of the barn. In ten years or less it will be hard to buy a new non EV passenger vehicle. Car makers around the world are putting all their resources into EV passenger vehicles. Tesla is 5 years ahead of all the German mfgrs. Porsche just came out with the Taycan EV which costs a lot more than a model 3 Tesla and has less range and is no quicker. Ford's first all electric is 3 years away and it will also cost a lot more than a model 3. Tesla is supposed to release the model Y and a pickup before years end. If you are 65 or younger you will probably own an EV before you die. And you will probably be pleasantly surprised.

not goona happen..anybody that drives major miles like me need gas..i couldnt even imagine chasing charging stations

 

[GTL]

Remember "back in the day" when Carroll Shelby made the hundred dollar bet????? Tesla acceleration makes that feel like childs' play. The
g force on full throttle is just nuts. Is EV the up and coming thing???? Harley-Davidson now markets the Livewire an all electric. My new play toy is a peddle assist fat tire. Battery technology is improving daily and will play a huge role in the development of EV everything.

 

[srt20]

Im not ripping on Tesla first of all......

But Tesla isnt a well established vehicle maker. And according to the internet, it shows.
Tesla doesnt have the money to compete with the big manufacturers. If Toyota, or VW decide to seriously go ALL IN, they will wipe Tesla out. They have the resources to become an auto maker that produces quality EV's. Tesla is a company trying to become an automaker. They have been very behind on their promises. And their cars dont have a great track record.

But it is exciting times for autos.

 

[WorkHardPlayHrd]

Don't get me wrong here, as I don't have a dog in this deal. However wind, and solar are expanding rapidly in my part of the country. You now can make more money solar farming, than you can raising row crops. And, this includes prime producing soils! This is coming from friends who have gotten into this solar farming, and another friend of mine who is a farmer, and sits on the county board/zoning committee. This tells me it will continue to expand. Much of the electricity here in this part of the mid west is now wind, and solar. Like it or not, so it is. Economics, the return on, and the term of the investment, will dictate what happens. It's always about the $$$$!

You hit the nail on the head Abe! Where we are now we have 40 acres in a township that is currently in development for a six-year plan to install the first major wind farm in Eau Claire County Wisconsin. Phase 2 14 years down the road if all proceeds the way they plan will put them on our main farming area. Wind Farm 1 means one wind turbine. Wind Farm 2 could be up to 10, and to be honest the way things are going in farming we're not about to say no. No plans to give up my diesel truck or my sleds.

BTW I'd love to see Tesla make an EV tractor that farmers can actually afford to buy.

 

[old abe]

You hit the nail on the head Abe! Where we are now we have 40 acres in a township that is currently in development for a six-year plan to install the first major wind farm in Eau Claire County Wisconsin. Phase 2 14 years down the road if all proceeds the way they plan will put them on our main farming area. Wind Farm 1 means one wind turbine. Wind Farm 2 could be up to 10, and to be honest the way things are going in farming we're not about to say no. No plans to give up my diesel truck or my sleds.

BTW I'd love to see Tesla make an EV tractor that farmers can actually afford to buy.

You got it WHPH, my father told me years age, there is one way you can change a farmers mind. It's called the need for money! My county has some of the absolute best/richest soils to raise huge yields of corn, and soybeans. Some of this "prime" ground won zoning approval for solar farming! Lets face the facts, the economics of solar farming are far better than raising corn and soybeans with today's input costs, and poor returns. It is what it is. The farmer owns the ground, and should have the right to do with it what he prefers with it as long as he does no harm in any way to others by doing so. The fact remains NGas put "coal" out of business, nothing else. This being done by several economic reasons, transportation as in piped right to location of use, cleaner emissions, and just plain cheaper energy. You won't have wait long on a EV tractor. Many mfr's coming soon with diesel/electric drive hybrid. Full EV should not be far behind. Been running pivots with electric propulsion for 50 years. Electric control technology is absolutely endless. As in today's high tech planters, combines, tiling, construction equipment, forestry, and so on. It's here.

 

[elf]

Remember "back in the day" when Carroll Shelby made the hundred dollar bet????? Tesla acceleration makes that feel like childs' play. The
g force on full throttle is just nuts. Is EV the up and coming thing???? Harley-Davidson now markets the Livewire an all electric. My new play toy is a peddle assist fat tire. Battery technology is improving daily and will play a huge role in the development of EV everything.

Pedal assist??? Thats cheating! J/K but it is funny seeing that battle right now in the mountain biking community. Some trails will allow pedal assist and others fight them. Here in Duluth the trails are strictly non-motorized and theres plenty of arguments both ways but the city has said non-motorized right now. Anything that allows people to get out on the trails is fine with me!

 

[stitcher]

Love that band. Going to Goo Goo Dolls in Madison at Orpheum. Way off topic but I'll be bringing the Dodge Omni to the show. Chicks that it attracts may be not as well dressed, but it's ok because my high end sweat pants don't always attract women with all their teeth. So it's a wash.

 

[stitcher]

Great band .....have bunch of their CD's.

Love that band. Going to Goo Goo Dolls in Madison at Orpheum. Way off topic but I'll be bringing the Dodge Omni to the show. Chicks that it attracts may be not as well dressed, but it's ok because my high end sweat pants don't always attract women with all their teeth. So it's a wash.

 

[snobuilder]

One thing for certain is that the farmer knows where his subsidies are available. Welfare nothing more.

 

[snobuilder]

what sledders will like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqO_508it14

 

[garageguy]

Well.. lets start with some facts. Pound for pound gasoline still has 9 times the power density of the best lithium ion batteries out there. If a quarter of all cars sold were electric the grid would fail and there wouldn't be enough generation to support it. No buddy wants a generating station in there back yard. Nuclear is frowned upon. Your are left with fossil fuels. Solar and wind account for a small but growing percentage of power production.
Alternative sources of power are great and battery technology steadily improves. But for electric vehicles to actually replace gas ones for most things is still a ways off.
I do have battery powered things and they are great for the right application. I've got a battery leaf blower very nice. A battery snow blower not so much and a batt. Scooter for running around town. If you think a battery powered farm tractor will plow more than two rows good luck with that. Maybe 15 years from now.

 

[durphee]

That’s kind of the point, battery power is the future. We can generate unlimited power, Thats the easy part, storing power is the hard part. Any engineer worth their money will tell you they can figure it out, and they will. It’s only a matter of time.

 

[old abe]

One thing for certain is that the farmer knows where his subsidies are available. Welfare nothing more.

Oh yeah! The most wealthy handout welfare program per capita! Socialism! It's now geared to enrich the largest farmers so as to squeeze the smaller out.

 

[dothedoo]

"Modern Day Cowboy" "Little Suzi" and "EZ Come EZ Go" are some of the best Tesla productions.

 

[slimcake]

Ok boys I could go on forever but all these wind and solar feel good projects are only slightly profitable is because of the subsidy. So if we are gonna subsidize why hasn't any one mentioned hydrogen? You get the power of diesel and the by product is water. Why doesn't anyone talk about that?????

 

[POLARISDAN]

Love that band. Going to Goo Goo Dolls in Madison at Orpheum. Way off topic but I'll be bringing the Dodge Omni to the show. Chicks that it attracts may be not as well dressed, but it's ok because my high end sweat pants don't always attract women with all their teeth. So it's a wash.

saw the GOO last year in minne..great band..20 years already..can u believe that

 

[sweeperguy]

what sledders will like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqO_508it14

700 HP. ability to tow 10,000 lbs. Yea I Like
Go Rivian