Thoughts and prayers

[blkhwkbob]

Could be a victim of modern day performance punishment where there hardest workers just get more work heaped upon them as a reward while they see the suckassed slackers drift through the day as one a managements fags.

Have you been spying on my department?

 

[Highflyer]

Makes you wonder what made him go off? Working that long at a job that im guessing is decent as a electrician and getting fired? New management? Family troubles? I have never worked at a large company, But have many friends and family that do, seems like all it takes is a new boss to ruin a job where people were happy. Sad deal[/QUOTE]

This is what drives me nuts about employees this day an age. They cannot handle any amount of change. A new boss comes in a changes one thing up and they start crying like little babies. Why do you think a new boss came in? Maybe because things needed to change..... What's sad is that those employees actually think things can be run business as usual for as long as they have the job. In business if you are not constantly evolving you will be replaced.

This is why the "everyone gets a trophy" era drives me nuts. It teaching a generation of people to not be competitive. instead they think everyone deserves a raise and huge bonus every year just for showing up.

 

[chunk06]

Makes you wonder what made him go off? Working that long at a job that im guessing is decent as a electrician and getting fired? New management? Family troubles? I have never worked at a large company, But have many friends and family that do, seems like all it takes is a new boss to ruin a job where people were happy. Sad deal[/QUOTE]

This is what drives me nuts about employees this day an age. They cannot handle any amount of change. A new boss comes in a changes one thing up and they start crying like little babies. Why do you think a new boss came in? Maybe because things needed to change..... What's sad is that those employees actually think things can be run business as usual for as long as they have the job. In business if you are not constantly evolving you will be replaced.

This is why the "everyone gets a trophy" era drives me nuts. It teaching a generation of people to not be competitive. instead they think everyone deserves a raise and huge bonus every year just for showing up.

I agree, it can go both ways

 

[kip]

For sure sad. I often wonder if our upcoming generations are going to be tough enough to handle the real world. It scares me. I'm a bit of a dinosaur in todays age and I'm finding that out when I go to school events. I'm a bit frowned on for speaking up. From what I see our kids are not being prepared mentally for the real world. They are told how great they are and that they do nothing wrong. What is that teaching them? What are you teaching a kid lets saying playing basketball that turns the ball over 10 times in a game? It's ok, don't get better? I really struggle with the kids always being right and having the power over the parent or teacher. It's not right. When I was in school if I got in trouble I was way more worried about getting home than what the school had to offer! LOL! Pat ruled with an Iron Fist! I respect him for that and I remember every teacher or coach that disciplined me. To tell you the truth when I got older those were the teachers or parents I respected the most!!! For sure prayers go out to all families involved. Life can change so quickly.

 

[snobuilder]

Not sure of the point some you are trying to make about the younger generations. You know the shooter was 51, right?
Older than many of you posting....lol

80% of ppl feel like social misfits and the other 20% make sure they do.

 

[sjb]

For sure sad. I often wonder if our upcoming generations are going to be tough enough to handle the real world. It scares me. I'm a bit of a dinosaur in todays age and I'm finding that out when I go to school events. I'm a bit frowned on for speaking up. From what I see our kids are not being prepared mentally for the real world. They are told how great they are and that they do nothing wrong. What is that teaching them? What are you teaching a kid lets saying playing basketball that turns the ball over 10 times in a game? It's ok, don't get better? I really struggle with the kids always being right and having the power over the parent or teacher. It's not right. When I was in school if I got in trouble I was way more worried about getting home than what the school had to offer! LOL! Pat ruled with an Iron Fist! I respect him for that and I remember every teacher or coach that disciplined me. To tell you the truth when I got older those were the teachers or parents I respected the most!!! For sure prayers go out to all families involved. Life can change so quickly.

That is an interesting perspective. I can't speak to the teachers, but will say this, I have coached my daughter's softball team for the last three years, and have been asked to move up to the next level. I don't have kid gloves on with these kids and they know it. At the beginning of the year, I ask each one of the kids what they think the really need to work on and develop, to be a better person. I ask both from the softball perspective, as well as soft skills, such as being kind, or helping out others. Then maybe every other week or so I ask how they think they are doing, to evaluate themselves. Some know they are not making the improvements they should be and then I "coach" them on what I think they should do. I can deal with the kids, but it is the parents that drive me nuts. I have gone to a system where in the beginning of the year I have a meeting with them. Stating, my #1 goal is the development of the girls, both from softball and as a person. If I am doing anything different than that, come talk to me. Last year I had one parent talk to me. After a quick conversation on how her daughter was immature and couldn't take any constructive criticism, often because the parents would swoop in and say everything was fine, which it wasn't, she might not be ready for sports that are competitive. She did not like what I told her, but it was 100% of the truth. I know I will do what I can to make sure people in my life are not "protected" from reality.

 

[euphoric1]

For sure sad. I often wonder if our upcoming generations are going to be tough enough to handle the real world. It scares me. I'm a bit of a dinosaur in todays age and I'm finding that out when I go to school events. I'm a bit frowned on for speaking up. From what I see our kids are not being prepared mentally for the real world. They are told how great they are and that they do nothing wrong. What is that teaching them? What are you teaching a kid lets saying playing basketball that turns the ball over 10 times in a game? It's ok, don't get better? I really struggle with the kids always being right and having the power over the parent or teacher. It's not right. When I was in school if I got in trouble I was way more worried about getting home than what the school had to offer! LOL! Pat ruled with an Iron Fist! I respect him for that and I remember every teacher or coach that disciplined me. To tell you the truth when I got older those were the teachers or parents I respected the most!!! For sure prayers go out to all families involved. Life can change so quickly.

Amen to that!

 

[kip]

sjb,

Sounds like you have it down and have a good system in place. You made my point for me when you said the parents are the toughest. I agree, they coddle a bit much and protect their kids. Constructive criticism and a little tough love are not a bad thing in my opinion.

 

[old abe]

I agree, it can go both ways

Yes, "it can go both ways" is so very true. Were I worked for many, many years, as the "old" management retired, and thus management changed to "new management", unfortunately it change for the worse. Incompetence, and incapable, is what it turned into. The "new management" would ask me why I acted, and said what I did, at what was considered to be "production disaster"/"crisis" meetings? My answer was always the same, "Because I knew, it didn't have to be this way". I knew what was needed to get the quality, and production numbers where they could, should be. The production "incentive workers" are who really got hurt, as the "bad numbers" gutted their paychecks. That, starts the "poor attitude", then comes the "why should we care, the CO. won't do anything to correct what they know is wrong" sickness. Things just continue to get worse, until the "bad numbers" get to the "top" management. It got to be so bad that when I finally retired, production management personal had increased 4 fold. The Co. would try to bring past managers in on "Special Assignment" to fix the problem. After seeing what was now, compared to what they had been used to, most quit with their 2 week paycheck. And production decreased again. It was totally amazing to me how so much FAILED management would be tolerated, and covered up, before the "top upper" management would finally act to correct things. When I first started there, everyone was proud to be employed there, top, to bottom. I will not name this world wide, very well known, Co/Corp, as it would scare you. Besides the people who built it to what it once was aren't deserving to be looked at poorly, they did there jobs well.

 

[snobuilder]

Yes, "it can go both ways" is so very true. Were I worked for many, many years, as the "old" management retired, and thus management changed to "new management", unfortunately it change for the worse. Incompetence, and incapable, is what it turned into. The "new management" would ask me why I acted, and said what I did, at what was considered to be "production disaster"/"crisis" meetings? My answer was always the same, "Because I knew, it didn't have to be this way". I knew what was needed to get the quality, and production numbers where they could, should be. The production "incentive workers" are who really got hurt, as the "bad numbers" gutted their paychecks. That, starts the "poor attitude", then comes the "why should we care, the CO. won't do anything to correct what they know is wrong" sickness. Things just continue to get worse, until the "bad numbers" get to the "top" management. It got to be so bad that when I finally retired, production management personal had increased 4 fold. The Co. would try to bring past managers in on "Special Assignment" to fix the problem. After seeing what was now, compared to what they had been used to, most quit with their 2 week paycheck. And production decreased again. It was totally amazing to me how so much FAILED management would be tolerated, and covered up, before the "top upper" management would finally act to correct things. When I first started there, everyone was proud to be employed there, top, to bottom. I will not name this world wide, very well known, Co/Corp, as it would scare you. Besides the people who built it to what it once was aren't deserving to be looked at poorly, they did there jobs well.

You nailed it..... template like thinking guided by political correctness is today's management style.....And keep everyones "individual" pay rate a secret from each other.
I don't like too much parental involvement in kids sports either.....i'm a boomer....we played sports when we wanted to, because we wanted to.....didn't need some parent effin things up. My kids did the same in the late 80's and 90's to a certain extent but beyond that where do you see kids getting together to have a game a catch, or 500 or 3 on 3 football?
We did it everyday.....no parents needed....guess what....they wouldn't need you today either.
Parents just add pressure, thinking their precious is the next nfl, nba, nhl or mlb star.....even though their gene pool says otherwise.