sweeperguy
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Thoughts on Bergstrom triple points, with ski savers and shims. Versus Woody's doolies. Any input? Likes, Dislikes?
triple points VS doolies
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I used 8" triple points since 2007 on Apex & Vector long tracks with & without studs also had Woody's doolies for one season. Doolies will freeze up with snow and push and don't wear very well compared to tiple points. Triple points handle ok but not comparable to aggressive snowtrackers on Apex XTX. The best carbide system for Yamaha sleds with eps are the snowtrackers for stock skis no darting at all and corners like on rails. Best $200 you can spend for handling at least on Yamaha.
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Whitedust is right about the doolies. Under most conditions they hold snow in between the duel carbides and push. Then you have nothing. I bought 1 set and will never buy another.
groomerdriver
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Doolies all the way. Snow getting trapped....pushing....what a bunch of BS. Any ski will push in certain conditions.
Bergstroms, been turning circles in gas stations for 7000 miles on my XP. On trail they are much better than the Woody's or the Doo in/out set-up on the 6.9" Pilots.
I personally think the shims and savers have as much to do with the improved peformance as the carbide. All will turn better if the carbide "sees" the ground at the proper angle.
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Oh yeah, one complaint... I have new Bergstorms, but my sled hasn't been delivered yet to put them on, ha!
I personally think the shims and savers have as much to do with the improved peformance as the carbide. All will turn better if the carbide "sees" the ground at the proper angle.
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Oh yeah, one complaint... I have new Bergstorms, but my sled hasn't been delivered yet to put them on, ha!
garyl62
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If you end up ordering a set of Bergstroms because of the feedback you're getting here, tell Scott you had a thread going about his stuff. I'll stop in his shop at least once a year and while he is talking your ear off, one topic he will usually get around to is how sites like this kept him going a few years back when things got real bad for him. I know he's glad to hear about things on John's site so be sure to let him know about the feedback you got when you asked your question.
sweeperguy
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I already Ordered them, had one guy I ride with said I made a mistake, but I have 2 sets of skis for this sled so was debating putting doolies on other set and run both. To see which performed better. But so far think I'll just stick with the triple points. Scott gave me free shims and ski savers for my other set of skis that I was having darting issues with, so I'm setting them up with the 12" Carbides that started my darting problem. And it'll be an apples to apples comparison if shims and ski savers are the solution for darting, or if the triple carbides are needed with the whole setup.
It's funny on all my old POS sleds never had issues of darting and I never did much in the way of upgrades or mods, I just ran the crap out of them. Could be with the old sleds, never had anything newer than 10 or 15 years old, that I just didn't Know the sled should handle better. Never been on a discussion board to have the wealth of information that is out there either. Until a year ago when I got on here.
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Triple points are never a mistake handle ok & & wear very well very good bang for the buck. What sled are you using 12" carbides and Why?? That is a heck of a lot of carbide even with a bunch of studs. I would think 12" of carbide would dart and is going to follow every rut in the trail very aggressive set up! Do you need all that carbide as that much carbide is going to be a problem.
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Pete- you have been at this a long time. Surely you remember the days when you always bought the most carbide you could get and then chip off pieces until they were just right!
Yes I have lol....Scott Bergstrom enlightened me many years ago regarding skis, studs & carbide length. Scott is conservative regading carbide length but triple points are an aggressive set up. I just thought if Sweeperguy talked to Scott he would caution about 12" of carbide & darting maybe it is a race sled set up man that is 2 feet of carbide on the snow!! If sweeperguy wants to try doolies then Stud Boy is best bet either duecs or shaperbars are better than doolies. As said before the distance between the doolies does pack ice & will push ....Stud Boys don't do that and snow trackers just kick arse. I was embarassed using triple points in Apex XTX 2012 comparo up against aggressive snow trackers. Those snowtrackers are better than triple points zero darting & best turning ever. Not many people use snowtrackers but should that good!!!
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Snowtarckers can be purchased seamlessly thru Tirewiz in MN. I had Pat's install mine but you can do yourself no bigger deal than shims & triple points. I asked Kip to carry Snowtrackers but needs more peeps to want them. This is an excellent carbide system but you do need to set up your transfer to take pressure off front skis. A real dream set up for Yamaha with eps.
Snowtarckers can be purchased seamlessly thru Tirewiz in MN. I had Pat's install mine but you can do yourself no bigger deal than shims & triple points. I asked Kip to carry Snowtrackers but needs more peeps to want them. This is an excellent carbide system but you do need to set up your transfer to take pressure off front skis. A real dream set up for Yamaha with eps.
sweeperguy
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Didn't know that much carbide would be an issue, was figuring get longer life out of more carbide length, with this being the first new sled I've ever had, bought new 3.14.14 only rode last winter. Figure I'll have it for a while. On my old POS sleds, never knew how long they'd hold up, usually bought 4, or 6" and cheapest poss.
Guess I should have posted a thread on "why is my sled darting after new carbides "
Ok sweeperguy let's start all over again. What year,brand & model of sled, stock or aftermarket skis, size & hp of engine,track size length, lug size, studded or prestudded. What is your style of riding casual nature trail rider, off trail % ,on trail %,powder, Frs, bagger, big mile day rider, aggressive trail rider most of the time, kicked back moderate mile trail rider, short mile rider but like to play & jump stuff then bang ruff trail? Different sled & carbide set ups are best for what your want to do most of the time. Doo is only OEM with adjustable carbides just came out in 16 & I would really enjoy that set up but not possible on my Apex XTX. I'm an aggressive trail & FR rider that does big day trip miles. When out on my own short trips I like to play on bumps and ruff trail but my Apex XTX completely wrong sled for that but I make do..lol ..I'm surprised Scott didn't ask you all this but ok we can help you with your carbides once we have answers to the questions.
garyl62
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Ok sweeperguy let's start all over again. What year,brand & model of sled, stock or aftermarket skis, size & hp of engine,track size length, lug size, studded or prestudded. What is your style of riding casual nature trail rider, off trail % ,on trail %,powder, Frs, bagger, big mile day rider, aggressive trail rider most of the time, kicked back moderate mile trail rider, short mile rider but like to play & jump stuff then bang ruff trail? Different sled & carbide set ups are best for what your want to do most of the time. Doo is only OEM with adjustable carbides just came out in 16 & I would really enjoy that set up but not possible on my Apex XTX. I'm an aggressive trail & FR rider that does big day trip miles. When out on my own short trips I like to play on bumps and ruff trail but my Apex XTX completely wrong sled for that but I make do..lol ..I'm surprised Scott didn't ask you all this but ok we can help you with your carbides once we have answers to the questions.
I'll add, that if you end up thinking you should have gotten some shorter carbides Scott will probably take them back and send you the right ones. There is a lot to it, but even if you're off a little, those triple points still may be an improvement to what you started with. So going back to Whitedust's questions, how do you ride?
srt20
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Maybe I'm the only one that thinks carbide length means nothing as darting is concerned?
Your host bar is going to follow the previous sleds host bar rut. And carbide edge does little on a snow covered trail. If it's icy, sure, groomed trail, not so much.
Darting can be fixed in a few different ways. But probably the way that least upsets the way your sled handles currently (other then the darting) is to shim the skis.
Just my opinion, if you think about I'm out to lunch, then just disregard.
Btw, I think Woody's dooleys absolutely stink. I should also add the only Triple points experience I've has was my brother had them on his sled. And they didn't last very long .
Your host bar is going to follow the previous sleds host bar rut. And carbide edge does little on a snow covered trail. If it's icy, sure, groomed trail, not so much.
Darting can be fixed in a few different ways. But probably the way that least upsets the way your sled handles currently (other then the darting) is to shim the skis.
Just my opinion, if you think about I'm out to lunch, then just disregard.
Btw, I think Woody's dooleys absolutely stink. I should also add the only Triple points experience I've has was my brother had them on his sled. And they didn't last very long .
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sweeperguy
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Ok sweeperguy let's start all over again. What year,brand & model of sled, stock or aftermarket skis, size & hp of engine,track size length, lug size, studded or prestudded. What is your style of riding casual nature trail rider, off trail % ,on trail %,powder, Frs, bagger, big mile day rider, aggressive trail rider most of the time, kicked back moderate mile trail rider, short mile rider but like to play & jump stuff then bang ruff trail? Different sled & carbide set ups are best for what your want to do most of the time. Doo is only OEM with adjustable carbides just came out in 16 & I would really enjoy that set up but not possible on my Apex XTX. I'm an aggressive trail & FR rider that does big day trip miles. When out on my own short trips I like to play on bumps and ruff trail but my Apex XTX completely wrong sled for that but I make do..lol ..I'm surprised Scott didn't ask you all this but ok we can help you with your carbides once we have answers to the questions.
I've got a 12 polaris IQ 550 fan. Stock skis no studs, 121, 1"lugs. Aggresive Trail riding is the norm, BIG MILES. I like to play off trail but harder to find these days. And this sled is under powered for deep powder. Usually very fast in corners and throwing the back end out to accelerate out of the corner. I'm usually chasing 14/15 800 switchback pro s or 800 assaults is what the crew i ride with most times. Ride it HARD even on rough trails, since the suspension travel I have on this compared to my 97 indy I'm not riding a bull anymore. I know it doesnt compare to the pro- xc suspension, but its such an upgrade for me I give it all its got.
Scott didn't take my order, a gal answered the phone. So no conversation on riding style. She asked if I was easy in corners or into taking them hard, so she suggested to go with 8's since i corner hard and fast.
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Just IMO, but i believe SRT20 is correct. Not sure the extra carbide is going to solve the darting problem. Shimming the skis did help my darting problem, but didn't absolutely solve it. I use the 8 inch triple points and have good luck with them. I would just think that using a 12 inch carbide would just tire the crud out of you by the end of the day. My 8 inch carbides start to make the steering feel heavy by day 2.